The Crocodile crying from its lair:
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=may1507/at04
while continuing to kill innocents - parents, brothers, sisters, everybody
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=may1507/at03
Rgds,
Sandip
----- Original Message ----
From: Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:14:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] End this disease called ULFA
I believe that Ram has explained the points very aptly. Just adding a
few comments.
>*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance of
modern history?
>Would you like to explain?
I do not hear the Nagas, Manipuris blowing up their own population in the
name of freedom struggle. They may have had conflicts within their groups
and may have fought and killed rival group members but never have they
targeted the general population.
Would you still believe in their cause and their means had you lost a
family member in one of their indiscriminate blasts?
> I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't you?
Assuming that was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram
>or JS, in the position of those ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play
STUPID and get arrested or get erased in some encounter, real or fake? Is
>this some kind of a question to make the ULFA leaders look like
'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?
Even in India's fight for independence we have had true revolutionaries
who may have gone out of the country to seek help to fight the enemy(
British ) but they have come back to the country to fight for the cause they
believed in. In ULFA's case the leaders have simply vanished from the battle
zone and surrendered themselves to become pawns of Bangladeshi agents.
>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the >people
they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and
dying for a cause.
Mr Mahanta, try telling that to someone who has lost a loved one by ULFA's
guns or their blasts.
It is not hard to realize that there is no "cause" they are fighting for.
The ULFA leaders are prominent Bangladeshi citizens now and living up their
life with extortion money while their lower rungs are dodging bullets, army
and the people in general.
Mr Mahanta, you would do well to realize the ground facts. The Bodos,
Karbis, Dimasas, Bengalis( from the Barak valley) do not support the ULFA
nor have they given them the onus to act/speak on their behalf. A few
Assamese may still feel for the terrorists but they are a dying breed. I
would have thought there is more support for the outfit among the Assamese
citizens in the US, the lack of response to my questions seem to suggest
otherwise.
J.Sharma
On 15/05/2007, at 9:40 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
>*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance of
modern history?
>Would you like to explain?
Let me try!
First of, the ulfa cannot really be considered "revolionaries". A
revolution (Like the French etc) are a mass-scale uprising of some sort
against an establishment. The ulfa (as some would like to elevate) is
nowhere close to that lable
So, in that context, modern revolutions have always been about "protecting
the masses" against tyrants. In the Assam context, can you give some stark
examples where such a thing has happened? And yes, C'da why is these
"home-grown" revoltionaries hell bent on killing and looting from Assamese
people (and don't forget Dhemaji) - now there was a great example of your
revolutionaries giving up blood & treasure (of course, it matters little
that blood spilled was not theirs).
> I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't you?
Assuming that was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram
>or JS, in the position of those ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play
STUPID and get arrested or get erased in some encounter, real or fake? Is
>this some kind of a question to make the ULFA leaders look like
'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?
If the 'leaders' were holed up in B'desh and making war plans/strategic
plans against the big, bad ogre called India, it may have
carried some semblence of resptability - but to hole up elsewhere, goad/egg
other to the battles, and all the while amass huge personal wealth, (as
reported by the US think tank - Stratfor. com), getting help from BD intel
and ISI (who will just as easily slit an Assamese throat as they would an
"Indian") is beyond me.
So, now this "holing up" in Bangladesh is really a strategic plan - could
have knocked me out with a feather! How could I have missed that
>First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it that
India and Indians claim >ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a
contradiction?
I am just trying here - don't know exactly what JS meant.
Why is this a contradiction - the leaders stay in BD - making the big war
plans, while the "low-level" cadres do the dirty job in Assam.
>*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and
dying for a cause.
>You may not agree with their cause.
We have all been hearing about this big cause for a long time. Then why is
that the whole of Assam have NOT joined
and or signed on the dotted line? Do you know why?
>That is how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent
CONFLICT.
Whew! Now that somehow makes us all feel better. Of course, all the people
of Assam gave the green signal for ULFA to go violent and now it (the ulfa)
acts as the sole torch bearer for God & country.
One question, if these 'revs' are NOT even able to fight from their home
base (that they are forced to go to another country to do so), what odds do
you, as a pragmatist, give them for any kind of win?
Even the country these people take refuge in (BD) is not able to take on
the bad boy on the block (India) what are the chances for the "revs". Do
you think perhaps, that there is no fun for them to end this 'insurgency
Kamadhenu'. Whatever will they do if this all ends - Work for a living? Good
grief ! :)
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Ram:
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> Just out of curiosity:
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> >Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
> killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
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> *** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance of
> modern history? Would you like to explain?
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> >- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
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> *** This is another bright question no doubt and someone of my caliber
> would be hard-pressed to answer. But since you press the point , allow me to
> take a shot ( pun intended):
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> First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it
> that India and Indians claim
> ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?
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> I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't
> you? Assuming that
> was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram or
> JS, in the position of those
> ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested or
> get erased in some
> encounter, real or fake? Is this some kind of a question to make
> the ULFA leaders look
> like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?
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> If you asked me it is a pretty dumb question, really. And dumber
> expectation.
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> >- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
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> >people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
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*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and
> dying for a cause. You may not agree with their cause. That is how it works
> in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent CONFLICT. One side does
> not agree with the other and neither siude is asbout to play dead. Under the
> circumstances, expecting an antagonist here to play NEUTRAL ( or UNBIASED to
> echo the favorite kharkhowa/desi terminology) demonstrates an absence of an
> ability to reason like an adult with ordinary intelligence. But I have
> trouble believing that about JS and I know you do not fit that mold. So
> what is the explanation Ram?
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> Anyone expecting an answer to questions like that would merely be
> demonstrating their living in denial, unable to accept the widely prevalent
> and discernible truths that surround them like so nmany Indians seem to do.
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> I hate to see you act so disoriented a desi, Ram :-)
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> C'da
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> >Why would anyone want to go pick a fight with someone who would
> proclaim "---
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> There is another way to look at it. Perhaps, one could address this
> utter frustration with ulfa's antics and the 'ulfa did nor wrong' crowd.
> The recommendations from JS may be strong, but there is a lot of truth in
> what he says about the unstable situation in the state created by ULFA - and
> the fact that the state (as it is overburdened with other problems) is now
> having face the "insurgency" problem.
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> Why can't ulfa sympathizers answers at least some of the questions like
> JS asks/comments:
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> Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
> killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
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> - Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
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> creating economic and social disorder in our state?
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> - They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
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> people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
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> These and other questions have been asked before - and we have YET to
> receive prompt, short (no spin) ansers
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> So, just Ignoring, the "punishment" as JS demnds is really NOT a
> solution. Why can't someone just answer to the questions.
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> >JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
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> *** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of
> SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge. Why would anyone want to go pick a
> fight with someone who would proclaim "---The only solution left, I
> believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and put all their sympathizers
> behind bars. " It would be like challenging an Indian who would put a man on
> the Moon in 2010; or recommend that all those who do not agree with him be
> banished to 'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?
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> Hehehe C'da,
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> I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an extreme
> outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many of the younger
> generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you have for them - or do
> you think their feelings ought to just brushed aside?
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> >But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS in
> >his place :) :).
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> C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
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> JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other
> court. People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see what
> happens. At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs it - I have
> a feeling, he won't. He has done good so far.
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> >If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, ?are
> all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would >have been
> no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
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> No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.
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> >instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers, who
> will only make the issue more muddy :-)?
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> Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in Denmark:),
> and no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no sympathazer. I would
> expect them sympathizers to be up in arms even if they circle the wagons and
> make it muddier:)
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> JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
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> --Ram
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> On 5/14/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi Ram:
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> Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful
> recommendations and conclusions.
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> Good that Sharma is letting off steam. But as an informed and
> experienced NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma the
> profound flaws in his line of thinking, even though I know you are unable to
> free your own thought processes entirely from a blind devotion to the
> derelict Indian state :-).
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> If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, are
> all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would have been no
> problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
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> experienced than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help him see
> things in a more mature light; instead of passing the buck to them
> despicable ULFA sympathizers, who will only make the issue more muddy :-)?
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> Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, if
> there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that fresh air of
> audacity :)
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> There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this forum
> too. I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so will wait to
> see waht they write.
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> On 5/14/07,* Jyotirmoy Sharma* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
> terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
> sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
>
> outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
>
> member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
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> abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
> from entering Assam.
>
> Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
> killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
> prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
> that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
> the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
> when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
> innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
> is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
> Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
> the disease in the first place.
>
> Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
>
> - Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
> creating economic and social disorder in our state?
> - Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
> confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
> are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
> their bomb attacks at public places?
> - Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
> - They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
> people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
>
> This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
> eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better
> off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
> called ULFA.
>
> Jyotirmoy
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