>> I am sure that there are more than two who are for 'Sovereignity of Assam',
>> but may not think it to be >fruitful enough to engage in this debate
>**** That is one of the most incisive perceptions I have seen in this net in a
>very long time, Mridul.
Yes, there must be!
Pise` xonkhya-tu aangulir murot lekhib pora jaabo ne` baaru?
“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble
like a blade of grass”
- Lakshmana
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:23:58 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Re: [Assam] What a response!!
> I am sure that there are more than two who are for 'Sovereignity of Assam',
> but may not think it to be >fruitful enough to engage in this debate
**** That is one of the most incisive perceptions I have seen in this net in a
very long time, Mridul.
At 2:40 AM -0700 10/8/07, Mridul Bhuyan wrote:
Yes, it's a sad thing indeed. There's nothing personal involved in this debate.
Everybody is free to express their opinion in good spirit. When things started
to become personal it's no longer a debate. Contrary to what you said, I am
sure that there are more than two who are for 'Sovereignity of Assam', but may
not think it to be fruitful enough to engage in this debate, which very well
starts roaming here and there instead of sticking to the subject.
Regards
Mridul BhuyanDilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gentlemen,
I am sorry to say that it is degenerating into personal attack. Is there a need
to continue it?
let's stop and count how many are arguing for Assam's sovereignty in this net
and how many are against. I count two for (not counting Rubi Bhuyan), and many
against. What amazes me is how the big group that is against is allowing the
two to rile them up. Is the big group trying to reach unanimity? Differences
will always exist, and it is also a great quality to agree to disagree and move
on.
As for debating on facts, It does not seem to stick, on this subject. It looks
like a cat and mouse game.
Is the debate worth the hurt feelings it is causing? I have my doubts. How
about you?
Dilip Deka
=======================================================Shantikam Hazarika
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Next time whenever any one has a query, the questioner would have toqualify
each question with the rationale behind each question. I thinkI would give your
argument to the Students' Union so that they canagitate that in future, every
question paper in examinations must havea page explaining what the question
setter had in mind while settingthe question.Wah.....When you have no answers
to Uttam's questions, you firstinsist what is the purpose without which you are
not willing toanswer.> But I' will give you one more chance to redeem yourself.
We all make> bad decisions every now and then. So, even though you have been>
evading the points I raised, you can correct yourself, and tell us,> that
Utpal's ploy was not a constructive one. A far better one would> have been to
engage in a sincere DIALOGUE, of give and take; ask,> answer and vice-versa.I
have much more important and better things to do than to redeemmyself before
you. Our purpose was a DIALOGUE, and that too of the"sincere" variety and the
best way we could have started was byseeking answers to questions that are
plaguing the minds of most"educated", "middle class" Assamese people. You took
theresponsibility of holding the fort on their behalf while, as it seems,they
have scooted, leaving you to hold the baby. Well, you deserve ourpity, which we
extend in unbound lots.Its not that we did not get all the answers. One we got
right from thehorse's mouth was the boundary of the "Independent Assam",
wherecuriously Bangladesh did not feature. Is it because the "IndependentAssam"
you are extolling would be a part of Bangladesh, so how does itmatter?Second
answer YOU gave was that the purpose behind all the mayhem,disturbance of
peace, killing of innocent daily labourers, is toliberate Assam......obviously
from the poor people who are beingregularly killed, or to liberate Assam from
peace and tranquility inwhich case it may be difficult to sustain the comfort
zones in whichthe leaders (and their cohorts) are dwelling?Lot of netters have
patience, I being sixty, do not have it. Also, time.Shantikam hazarikaOn
10/5/07, Chan Mahanta wrote:> Dear Hazarika:>>> I am sorry that you , a well
educated man, a pillar of your society,
> is unable to deal with a very simple> issue:>> *** Why can't Utpal or
> yourself, or anybody else, are able> to tell us what objective they had?> Why
> can't you admit the truth with the COURAGE of your convictions?>> Not that it
> is a secret. Anyone with half a working brain can> see right thru it. And if
> it was not> so, and had a more honorable objective, you and a bunch of>
> others here in this forum> would have come out baying for my blood, for
> having the> temerity to doubt the> inquisitors' integrity. They have NOT,
> only because they can't.>>> And if you all had a good explanation, you would
> have come> out swinging, telling the world> how wrong I am in suggesting that
> a reasonable person could> have concluded that Utpal's> AIM was not solely
> for proving ULFA wrong and devalue their> goals, and that they had> no
> intention of engaging in a DIALOGUE, just an inquisition.>>> But I' will give
> you one more chance to redeem yourself. We all make> bad decisions every now
> and then. So, even though you have been> evading the points I raised, you can
> correct yourself, and tell us,> that Utpal's ploy was not a constructive one.
> A far better one would> have been to engage in a sincere DIALOGUE, of give
> and take; ask,> answer and vice-versa.>> The choice is yours.>> Best
> regards.>> m>> PS: I take all your accusations, wild and sad as they are, in
> good> humor, and hold absolutely no hard feelings.>>>>>> At 6:30 AM +0530
> 10/5/07, Shantikam Hazarika wrote:> >I am not willing to get into an exercise
> of explaining the rainbow to> >the blind.> >If you do not have answers to the
> questions, just keep quiet, unless> >you have been appointed to deflect the
> main issues. It seems they have> >already run away from the filed, leaving
> their ilks of you to hold the> >illegitimate baby.> >Or, is it that you
> already know they do not have the answers or are> >not capable of answering
> legitimate questions which any normal human> >being would like to ask?> >>
> >BTW Mahanta, if you are thinking that I am trying to reach out to> >those
> whose apologist you are, forget about it, Frankly I have no time> >like you
> to split hairs and develop my mastery of deflection. You have> >time, go
> ahead, from your comfort zone, what else can you do?> >Shantikam Hazarika> >>
> >On 10/4/07, Chan Mahanta wrote:> >> >>> >> But levity aside, allow me ask
> you and other wise folks once more, IF> >> Utpal's aim was merely to assert
> that ULFA 's aims have no validity, WHY on> >> earth does he or his fan club
> need Ruby Bhuyan or whoever to answer> >> anything?> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> They
> already know they are right and ULFA is wrong. They can go right on> >> with
> their monologs as some of our friends do right here in assamnet with> >> the
> pomposity and certitude of God himself.> >>> >>> >> Am I spinning here? Is it
> an irrelevant question? An unreasonable one? One> >> designed to obfuscate
> and muddy some higher truths?> >> Tell us H. Go right ahead and mince no
> words. Educate us.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >AIM of GOALS , what a fantastically
> creative phrase. Frankly I have come> >> across this phrase for the first
> >time in my life.> >>> >>> >> *** Sorry H, but conveniently cut and pasted
> words of mine to devalue what> >> I wrote does not rescue your sinking effort
> here. I wrote:> >>> >>> >> "What is missing from the exercises is a
> rudimentary element of> >> AIM of GOALS. "> >>> >>> >> I did however miss the
> comma between the two. That I remain guilty of. But> >> to attempt to use
> that bit of typo, or solecism if you prefer, is riskier> >> than groping at
> straws, won't you think?> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > If one has beliefs,
> one must be ready to face INQUISITIONS.> >>> >>> >> ****Is that your best
> argument here H?> >>> >>> >> Good sermon, I am sure. But you need a flock to
> listen to it. I may be off> >> the wall here, but somehow I get this feeling
> that ULFA is not about to make> >> a beeline to listen to or pay heed to your
> sermon. What do you think?> > >> >>> >> BTW, the meaning of the word
> INQUISITION, as you understand it and use it in
> >> "---that we did not subject the leaders to frequent inquisitions," is NOT>
> >> >> what it is. If you look it up, you will know that it means: A
> >> rigorous,> >> harsh, interrogation, one that disregards the privacy
> >> rights, feelings etc.> >> of the target. One that does not allow the
> >> target to ask questions, one> >> sided inquiry.> >>> >>> >> Therefore, had
> >> you attempted to subject them to your 'inquisition', the> >> results might
> >> have been less than what you have hoped for. Just like it> >> won't work
> >> with ULFA today . To disregard it merely displays one's delusion,> >>
> >> that's all.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
> >> >>*************************************************************************************************************>
> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> >> At 10:53 PM +0530
> >> 10/3/07, shantikam hazarika wrote:> >> What a wonderful deflection from
> >> the main issue. Chandan Mahanta, you are> >> really a master at it. If
> >> there is a Nobel equivalent, I would strongly> >> recommend you for the
> >> same.> >> Poor Utpal. I am sure he, and many like him, have been itching
> >> to ask them> >> some questions which are lurking in the minds of almost
> >> all Assamese people.> >> He got a chance and asked them, in plain,
> >> straight forward English language,> >> without any ambiguity. So, attack
> >> his "design" in asking these questions,> >> since, frankly, they and their
> >> sympathisers have no answers.> >>> >> I remember, in one of the seminars
> >> organised by the students of the Assam> >> Institute of Management on
> >> Assam's current critical problems, Sanjib> >> Sabhapandit used a curious
> >> phrase: "Don't intellectualise Assam's problems."> >> Well, here we are
> >> seeing an effort to intellectualise even simple and honest> >> queries to
> >> those who seem to have solutions to Assam's problems.> >>> >> No one in
> >> Assam is quite clear as to what these people are fighting for. A> >> large
> >> number of the people of Assam believe that there is a big nexus that> >>
> >> sustains them, that they are anything but revolutionaries, and when> >>
> >> opportunities are provided to them to justify their actions, they run
> >> away> >> and leave it to people like Chandan mahanta, ensconced in the
> >> middle of the> >> USA, to obfuscate the issues on their behalf. This is
> >> indeed a gem:> >> Quote> >> Where is the ORDINARY integrity expected of
> >> the intelligentsia here, if one> >> can misuse the English word under the
> >> circumstances? The sincerity of> >> purpose?> >> It is obvious that those
> >> who consider themselves the 'educated' and'wise',> >> unlike ULFA, and who
> >> parade around wearing the garbs of pillars-of society> >> do not think so
> >> and thus the eloquent outpourings of disappointment, not to> >> mention
> >> the offenses to their genteel sensitivities . Not just that, the> >>
> >> self-fulfilling prophecies too of the band of braves indulging in the
> >> "hola> >> gosot baagi kuthar mora" enterprise, justification why their
> >> masters don't> >> talk to them, or should not.> >> unquote> >> AIM of
> >> GOALS, what a fantastically creative phrase. Frankly I have come> >>
> >> across this phrase for the first time in my life. May I add, AIM of GOALS
> >> of> >> OBJECTIVES?> >>> >> If one has beliefs, one must be ready to face
> >> INQUISITIONS. In fact, the> >> mistakes we made during the Assam Movement
> >> was that we did not subject the> >> leaders to frequent inquisitions,
> >> which resulted in the movement being led> >> astray.> >>> >> Apologists,
> >> awake, arise and continue to give proxies for those who have> >> lost the
> >> way long ago. After all you have nothing to lose.> >>> >> Shantikam
> >> Hazarika> >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________> >>> >> Date:
> >> Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:33:27 -0500> >> To: assam@assamnet.org> >> From: [EMAIL
> >> PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] What a response!!> >>> >>
> >> .ExternalClass blockquote, .ExternalClass dl, .ExternalClass ul,> >>
> >> .ExternalClass ol, .ExternalClass li> >>
> >> {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}> >>> >> Before we pass judgement on the
> >> response, we also ought to be able to judge> >> the QUESTION.> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> What were the questions posed by Utpal designed to ?> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >> To help him and others decide, if what ULFA has been
> >>> >>> >>> >> fighting for, Assam's> >> sovereignty, is a sound and
> >>> >>> >>> >> beneficial move for Assam? And if they are> > > persuaded by
> >>> >>> >>> >> ULFA's response that they are sound, Utpal and others would>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >> SUPPORT it?> >>> >>> >> Or were they designed to extract an
> >>> >>> >>> >> admission from ULFA, that their own> >> notions and beliefs,
> >>> >>> >>> >> that it is> >> patently bad for Assam, never mind HOW or WHY
> >>> >>> >>> >> they have concluded that> >> their notions and beliefs are the
> >>> >>> >>> >> truly wise and considered opinions?> >>> >>> >> Is it
> >>> >>> >>> >> therefore REASONABLE to evaluate INTENT for ULFA before
> >>> >>> >>> >> submitting> >> itself to the INQUISITION?> >>> >>> >> Where is
> >>> >>> >>> >> the ORDINARY integrity expected of the intelligentsia here, if
> >>> >>> >>> >> one> >> can misuse the English word under the circumstances?
> >>> >>> >>> >> The sincerity of> >> purpose?> >> It is obvious that those who
> >>> >>> >>> >> consider themselves the 'educated' and'wise',> >> unlike ULFA,
> >>> >>> >>> >> and who parade around wearing the garbs of pillars-of society>
> >>> >>> >>> >> > > do not think so and thus the eloquent outpourings of>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >disappointment, not to> >> mention the offenses to their
> >>> >>> >>> >> genteel sensitivities . Not just that, the> >> self-fulfilling
> >>> >>> >>> >> prophecies too of the band of braves indulging in the "hola>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >> gosot baagi kuthar mora" enterprise, justification why
> >>> >>> >>> >> their masters don't> >> talk to them, or should not.> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >> What is missing from the exercises is a rudimentary element
> >>> >>> >>> >> of AIM of> >> GOALS. Never mind the need to explore the
> >>> >>> >>> >> reasons WHY ten thousand plus> >> Oxomiyas have given their
> >>> >>> >>> >> lives. No doubt their lives were nearly not as> >> valuable as
> >>> >>> >>> >> one Sanjoy Ghosh's.> >>> >>> >> Aimless exercises
> >>> >>> >>> >> unfortunately lead to nowhere. With such pillars of> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> society looking after its well-being, one hardly needs enemies
> >>> >>> >>> >> to tear it> >> down.> >>> >>> >> cm> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> At 11:19 AM +0530 10/3/07,
> >>> >>> >>> >> shantikam hazarika wrote:> >>> >> It seems that some of us are
> >>> >>> >>> >> being branded as part of an "unhappy gang with> >> their
> >>> >>> >>> >> so-called education". And they would be 'selective' in
> >>> >>> >>> >> answering their> >> questions; which means they would only
> >>> >>> >>> >> reply to 'sincere' questions, from> >> 'real questioners'
> >>> >>> >>> >> after their 'background check done'.> >>> >> Well, in case
> >>> >>> >>> >> they have to do a background check in my case, let me tell> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> you that my life has been an open book and if a background
> >>> >>> >>> >> check is requird> >> in my case, it simly shows how much these
> >>> >>> >>> >> people are in touch with reality> >> or the ground
> >>> >>> >>> >> situations.> >>> >> Incidentally, let me also tell, that there
> >>> >>> >>> >> has been enough background> >> checks done about these people,
> >>> >>> >>> >> their cohorts, sympathisers, beneficiaries,> >> supporters,
> >>> >>> >>> >> hangers one and what not. Lot of people already know who> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> benefits from their actions, who are actually propping them
> >>> >>> >>> >> up. For example> >> when they killed Sanjay Ghosh, it did not
> >>> >>> >>> >> require much background check to> >> find out why they did so,
> >>> >>> >>> >> what was the nexus behind that sordid deal and who> >> would
> >>> >>> >>> >> be the real losers if Majuli is genuinely saved in a very
> >>> >>> >>> >> cost> >> effective manner. Obviously, they are buying time to
> >>> >>> >>> >> prepare some> >> obfuscating response, what we may call "saale
> >>> >>> >>> >> bere kobowa" reply in the> >> name of background checks and
> >>> >>> >>> >> what not.> >>> >> Also they have already said that they would
> >>> >>> >>> >> ignore "halfwit questions and> >> questioners". How more
> >>> >>> >>> >> selective can your comfort zone be...> >>> >> Interestingly, I
> >>> >>> >>> >> was reading something today and I came across the> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> follwoing phrase: The truth is that many terrorists are doing
> >>> >>> >>> >> very well out> >> of violence. Extortion rackets give them a
> >>> >>> >>> >> lifestyle they cannot aspire in> >> times of peace. They have
> >>> >>> >>> >> money, excitement and status: what more you seek> >> in life?>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> Mantabya nisproyojan.> >>> >>> >> Shantikam Hazarika>
> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> Director,> >>> >> Assam Institute of Management> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> PO Box 30, GUWAHATI 781001, India> >>> >> HOME PAGE:
> >>> >>> >>> >> www.aimguwahati.edu.in> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________
> >>> >> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:17:14 +0100> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>
> >>> >> To: assam@assamnet.org> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 26,
> >>> >> Issue 66> >>> >> To: assamonline> >>> >>> >>> >> ULFA invites genuine
> >>> >> sincere questions from persons(not gangs) not> >> happy with their
> >>> >> so-called education ,wanting to KNOW how to fight and win> >> their
> >>> >> great future in sovereign Assam .> >>> >>> >> Firstly we will have
> >>> >> background checks done on real (?) questioners.> >> Please tolerate
> >>> >> delays.> >>> >> ULFA will ignore halfwit questions and questioners who
> >>> >> think they already> > > know and are already bonded mentally or
> >>> >> monetarily.> >>> >> With Best Regards to respectable Assamonliners,>
> >>> >> >>> >> Rubi> >> --------------------> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
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