Dear C'da,
I think there has been too much reading into the
question that Barua asked and basically missing the
forest for the trees,
>Why the South seems to be better disciplined in
>educational institutions in India specially in
>Medicine?
Correct me if I am wrong, Barua, but basically I felt
the question was looking for some introspection from
the NE. The premise being that the South which has had
similar problems of OVERCOMING the influence of the
Hindi-wallas (like the NE) has made more progress and
the NE states have not.
> Better disciplined than what? Assam, Bihar, Delhi,
> Bengal, Andamans
You forgot to add universities in Brazil & Portugal?
-:)
Obviously, the question was meant toward the NE states
as this net's primary focus is the NE (and Assam in
particular). Bihar & Delhi don't count (they are the
Hindi belt). I am not even sure if there is a
university in the Andamans.
Bengal, we can take into consideration. But it has
been unique in the sense that it was and has been the
gateway to the NE. The English realized it and so did
their successors.
Again, this is NOT a competition between the South &
the NE (or even the other med schools). So, singling
out Manipal is not what we should be looking for.
Manipal is just an example, and it is just that.
So, let me try and ask you a question here:
What are the reasons the NE states are lagging in
development /growth behind other states like
Maharastra, TN, AP, Karnataka, Kerala? In answering
this question, if you can only confine you answer to
the responsibilities the State Govt. (say Assam), the
people, the student unions and the insurgent groups
have it will be great.
I have not listed a state like Bihar (which I think
lags behind every state). Now, you may ask why do we
need to compare? I think it is good to so. That way we
will atleast know, how partial the Center has been to
a state like Karnataka. What special favors did
Karnataka get that Assam has not? Was that a reason
for Karnatak's progress?
Hopefully, I have crossed all the ts and dotted the
Is.
If not, I will try and do a better job if the question
is overly broad (or immature)-:).
-- Ram
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rajen, Ram and Rajib:
>
>
> Here is my response to Rajen's leading question:
>
>
> >Question: Why the South seems to be better
> disciplined in educational
> >institutions in India specially in >Medicine?
>
>
> *** The premise of the question is patently untrue.
>
> Better disciplined than what? Assam, Bihar, Delhi,
> Bengal, Andamans?
>
>
> There were fine medical colleges in India going back
> a century. The
> premier ones were in Kolkata and Mumbai. Later came
> AIIMS, Chandigarh
> Medical College etc. They are not the South. Of
> course there were
> good schools in the South too. I don't remember the
> name, but one is
> from Andhra.
>
> These have been there far far longer than Manipal.
>
>
> And let us look at OTHER educational institutions:
>
> Calcutta University, Presidency College, Jadavpur
> U., BE College,
> Delhi U, MS U in Baroda, Aligarth Muslim U, Benares
> Hindu U -- and
> dozens of others like that have produced some of
> India's best from
> over a century ago. Add to that the IITs, Roorkee U,
> BIT and others
> that appeared fifty or more years ago, none of them
> were from the
> South.
>
> Don't they count?
>
>
> So is it a question of the South and its discipline
> at the root of
> the successes of these institutions? Is there a
> natural link here?
>
> The question is a contrived one designed to lead to
> a desired answer.
> It was absolutely NOT a question to attempt to gage
> the conditions
> of education in India.
>
> If it was then the wrong question was asked under
> the wrong premise.
>
>
>
> >Sometime it looks like South India is more
> Mainlanland India.
>
>
> ** What on earth is this supposed to mean? Is there
> such a thing as a,'mainland
> India' and there are those that are 'pabot-goza'
> India, not quite
> like the 'mainland' India?
>
> The whole notion of India at the time of
> independence was one of
> pluralism. Which by definition accepts diversity of
> its many
> constituents without hegemony of one over the other.
>
> The fact that it has NOT turned out that way is a
> failure of the
> Indian experiment. But that is a different matter.
>
>
> Is this question implying that the South alone has
> been able to forge
> the dream of Indian nationhood, unlike the rest? If
> so, what is the
> evidence to support such a premise? That the Owners
> of Manipal
> Institute, who are from the South opening branches
> in Nepal and
> Thailand?
>
>
> Is this a serious question deserving a serious
> reply?
>
>
>
> >Why they donot revolt against the domination of the
> Hindi-wallas?
>
>
> What does this question have to do with the premise
> of the question :
>
> >Why the South seems to be better disciplined in
> educational
> >institutions in India specially in >Medicine?
>
>
> Is it a natural corollary to it? Or is it a
> convoluted and contrived attempt
> to somehow connect it to the NE's disgruntlement,
> which Rajib
> dutifully complied with and gave his verdict with
> rahs from Ram and
> the ever so gentle applauds from Bhuban Kokaideu
> :-)?
>
>
> >The South seem to be progressing completely
> ignoring or in spite of
> >the Hindi belt North India. Or is >the South
> gradually taking over
> >the North?
>
>
>
> If Rajen had the courage of his convictions, he
> would have asked a
> straight forward question. Something like:
>
>
> *** Assam complains too much about domination by
> the Hindi belt
> politics. But I don't believe it is so. Just look
> at the South.
> They are doing well in spite of the same conditions
> that they face
> from the Hindi belt.
>
> That would have been an intellectually honest
> proposition, even
> though it would be a faulty one. But At least we
> could have debated
> that with integrity instead of in the sly.
>
>
>
>
> c
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 2:40 PM -0600 12/29/04, Barua25 wrote:
> >Blue Thoughts:
> >
> >It seems some Indian educational institutions are
> doing great. Take
> >for instance the welknown : Manipal Medical
> College. I came to know
> >that they have now opened brnaches even in Nepal
> and Thailand and
> >are attarcting lot of international students.
> >
> >Question: Why the South seems to be better
> disciplined in
> >educational institutions in India specially in
> Medicine? What is the
> >secret? Sometime it looks like South India is more
> Mainlanland
> >India. Why they donot revolt against the domination
> of the
> >Hindi-wallas? Why they donot hate India like the
> North East? The
> >South seem to be progressing completely ignoring or
> in spite of the
> >Hindi belt North India. Or is the South gradually
> taking over the
> >North?
> >
> >RB
> >
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