Andrew Macpherson, on 1/7/2008 7:41 AM, said the following:
>> By that argument we shouldn't be doing AV testing with ASSP either?
>> What about file/attachment blocking based on file-type/extension?

> To use your own phrase from this thread "Don't be an ass, Charles" both of 
> these are symptoms of UBE, probably bot-originated

True enough... correction and bitch-slap accepted... :)

>> 500k lines of source are complex enough.
>>
>> If you are a dev, then I suggest you take it up directly with the other
>> dev(s). Otherwise, this kind of comment is irrelevant coming from a user.

> I am entitled to make that comment WRT this code, ok?

No, you're not 'entitled' to - its like someone who buys a car 
complaining that it really shouldn't weigh so much.

Of course, you are *free* to make such a comment, but the devs are just 
as free to ignore it as *irrelevant*, since it is.

>> Since the main dev (Fritz) wants it, I think its too late for that -
>> thank goodness... I'm thinking of the hours and hours - probably days,
>> in total - I've wasted trying to convince brain-dead Outlook zombies to
>> take 5 seconds and change a setting in their address book so they'd stop
>> sending these things to my users. Sometimes I can convince them, others,
>> I have to show my brain-dead users time and time again how to decode them.

> A fait accompli encompassing a major change of direction should not be 
> accepted **however desirable** the outcome --- 

Don't be an ass, Andrew... ;)

This is NOT a 'major change of direction' - it is simply leveraging an 
existing perl module to do something that is very annoying for many 
email users small and large. Apparently the code is *already* almost 
complete, and will be ready very soon, if Thomas can get some example 
winmail.dat files. I tried to generate some with the copy of Outlook I 
have for testing purposes, but apparently it also requires an exchange 
server to generate them, which I don't have.

> and I would argue that it is not;

It may not be desirable for you - fine, don't use it.

> in this case it is a major loss of focus,

Hogwash - it is apparently being done by someone who wants the 
functionality - Thomas, not the main dev (Fritz) - and Fritz is willing 
to add the capability (or maybe he asked Thomas to do it, I don't know) 
because he has to deal with the same problem, and since it is possible 
to do it with ASSP, he makes it an OPTION for others who might also be 
interested in taking advantage of it.

Thank you Fritz (and Thomas)!

> and likely to overload moderately busy systems in terms of extra
> message buffering, for *NO* anti-spam benefit.

Eh? All you would have to do is NOT USE IT. This 'complaint' is pure FUD.

>> Luckily, over the last two years, these have slowed down dramatically -
>> but I'm quite certain it will come around again, and I'd love to be able
>> to simply not even know when it happens... :)

> You see? user education does work eventually.

Only temporarily, and only occasionally. The sad fact is, most people 
don't want to be bothered with something as trivial as doing 'the right 
thing'.

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

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