Hello Andrew, I watched the thread you are speaking about unfold. I wanted to comment here and say that you have hit the nail on the head, in my opinion, as to what the issues are.
If I recall correctly, you found a bug, but had to work very hard to prove you did, and had you not had some pretty good perl hacking abilities, I do not think many others would have stuck it out so strongly. Thanks for doing so by the way, it helps the community. Your closing comment about approachability is a very important one. There is a good deal of off list chatter in regards to some of the discussions that are on this list. I have sent a few email server admins over to ASSP. I know of one that lurked here a few weeks, and never came back. ASSP needs an evangelist, or a buffer of sorts from the devs and the users. I have offered my time and resources up before, and I see you are as well. Maybe you and I could work together to help address some of these issues. As it is now, I do not even know who to go to upstream to present them to, which itself, is a problem. I want to see ASSP succeed as much as the devs do, it is the best proxy I have ever used, and I have tested many. It is easier for me to get running than it is to get postfix working with SpamAssassin and DNSBL and greylsting, and probably does a better overall job than that combo, which can be fragile at times. There is a lot of potential here, I would hate to see development stop. What needs to happen, is developers develop, and a few supporters support the users, and encourage them to play a more active role. Those supporters can work on wiki, docs, changelogs, and also gathering data from users and testing it, so proper bug reports can be sent up the chain to the developers. Email list is not a big tracker :) Thanks for your comments, I wanted to share my support for your comments, but also show my support for ASSP. -- Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ * On Nov 25, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Andrew Porter wrote: > After it took me the best part of a fortnight to get what turned out > to > be a blatant bug even treated seriously I'm reluctant to upgrade at > all > while I have a working system. > > I will however, because I've been using ASSP for what must be at > least 5 > years and genuinely think it's the best thing by miles for fighting > SPAM, and I will gladly do what I can to help improve it and increase > it's use. > > I would ask though that you try to raise your estimation of the > average > ASSP user - especially on 2.0. I know it's generally a thankless task > working on open source software, but I was trying my best to be > helpful > and spent hours investigating the code myself, only to face a general > assumption that I must be doing something wrong. > > I would love to contribute more to ASSP (I have already noted areas > for > improvement) but you really need to try to be more approachable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Assp-test mailing list Assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test
