Hi Fritz,

I'm only involved in this discussion as an interested bystander. I am 
very curious as to whether or not Michael has stumbled onto one of the 
biggest problems with Bayesian spam filters, and if he has also 
developed a brilliant solution using a mechanism of ASSP.

>> If the effectiveness of that feature is diminished due to the type
>> of mail flowing through it or the kind of user using the
>> filter... perhaps it should be re-evaluated from a fresh
>> perspective?

> The effectiveness is not diminished due to the type of mail flowing 
> through it or the kind of user using the filter.

But that is precisely Michaels point... the effectiveness *was* 
diminished, due to 2 (I think he said 2) specific users who were *very* 
heavy senders of 'spammy' email, thus, apparently, 'polluting' the 
corpus by virtue of a lot of 'spammy' email being automatically added to 
the ham corpus because it was intentionally sent by those two users.

It was the *fact* that more and more spam was getting by ASSP that 
started Michael looking into *why* - and he discovered why, and then 
developed a solution *which* *worked*.

Now, are you saying that the 2 users who were sending lots of sppammy 
email weren't the cause of his problem at this site? Or are you saying 
that there is a better way to have handled it?

> The effectiveness is diminished, if you start to do the valuation
> manually. It is the wrong approach to discuss - and that is just my
> meaning.( If I am allowed to a meaning).

I certainly think your opinion has much more weight than anyone else's 
here, and far be it from me to even seriously consider trying to 
challenge you on it, but as a user, this issue does interest me.

So, what would you suggest as the best approach for Michael (and others) 
to deal with this particular, peculiar situation?

-- 

Best regards,

Charles

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