No but the application can be hosted and then the call delivered to a predetermined iax extension (or even pstn number via the asterisk server dialing out), or the user being presented with a dtmf keypad to dial a number)
Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoa > Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2007 2:42 PM > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ribbit.com ? > > > I don't think a java applet can be hosted code, as it will get > downloaded before execution. > > Zoa > > Steve Totaro wrote: > > "Should" or "has to" be is the question here. If developed for an > > in-house or even a hosted app, there is no mandate that the code be > > given back to anybody. I am not into telling people what they should > > and shouldn't do, I offer advice based on my very limited knowledge only. > > > > The decision to share is up to the person holding the code and the > > contract that I signed and am therefore bound to. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Totaro > > > > Jim Capp wrote: > > > >> Steve, > >> > >> I'm confused. Isn't the code that was developed related to the JIAX > >> already GPL and therefore should be returned to the community anyway? > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> > >> Steve Totaro wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Dean, > >>> > >>> I wish it were mine to give back. > >>> > >>> I worked with/for a group. It is not my IP since it was not my code and > >>> even the stuff I did myself (not very useful anyways) was on contracted > >>> time. The contract was very specific about who owned the IP to any code > >>> developed. Technically, by contract I should not have any code in my > >>> possession at this point. > >>> > >>> The point is, the JIAX code could and has been easily modified to create > >>> a free Java web based IAX softphone if someone just did it. To me, that > >>> indicates lack of demand (in the opensource area anyways). > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Steve Totaro > >>> > >>> Dean Collins wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Steve, > >>>> I'm confused about why you decided not to use your development or offer > >>>> it back to the community? > >>>> > >>>> If you've got it and don't want to use it I'm sure there are some people > >>>> on the list that would like to see what you've done and implement it on > >>>> a no-support basis. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Dean Collins > >>>> Cognation Pty Ltd > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> +1-212-203-4357 > >>>> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz- > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2007 10:49 AM > >>>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > >>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ribbit.com ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Dean, > >>>>> > >>>>> I think you may be right on the money with JIAX and the real demand > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> for a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> web based phone. I worked with a group that "fixed" the freely > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> available > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> JIAX code (by Mikael Magnusson http://www.hem.za.org/jiaxclient ) but > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> had > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> no interest in giving the code back to wild, nor selling it. It did > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> not > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> take a few good Java guys very long to get it working the same as > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Mexuar's. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I was able to compile a workign jar from source myself with a few > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> changes > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> and I am not a Dev guy, let alone a Java guy at all (but it took me > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> better part of week). > >>>>> > >>>>> I think that the demand is not really there (yet). Most real world > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> people > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> would rather pick up a real phone and dial a toll free number than don > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> headset with mic and make a call via browser. I think it has some wow > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> power > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> to "our kind", but I think the average Joe would not use this until > >>>>> convergence is more complete to avoid putting on headphones (like a > >>>>> bluetooth link from PC to a hardphone or cell). > >>>>> > >>>>> It is similar to many companies that I consult for. The people in the > >>>>> company want to know the bare essentials to use the phones. Sometimes > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> higher ups are interested in advanced functionality but more often > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> than not, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> they just want something to replace (insert phone system here) in > >>>>> functionality with a few remote phones or remote offices. During the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> sales > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> cycle however, they are wowed by the possibilities which certainly > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> helps and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> stands out from the crowd since there are no material nor licensing > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> costs, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> just time. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Steve Totaro > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Dean Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:42 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ribbit.com ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> My suggestion was a $25 one off license per simultaneous call. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Eg you run a small asterisk server in your office where people may > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> use > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> it from time to time then it's a one off $25 fee. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you run a website with a community of users who get together to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> chat > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> with each other and want to restrict it to 10 people at once then > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> your > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> fee would be $250 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And lets face it if you cant/wont pay $25 then you aren't really > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> serious > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> at any price. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The question in the founders mind always was....how many people > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> actually > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> want to buy this product (at any fee) and how many would use it if > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> it > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> was free but really don't want it bad enough to fire up a paypal > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> account > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> or similar. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the end of the day Tim spent a long time developing the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> application > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> (and at only 125k in size it's a work of art), office space, rent, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> food > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> and telephony, sales people/tech support salaries all cost money. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> Mexuar > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> needs a return on their investment to cover their costs and a profit > >>>>>> return. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the end of the day they chose to go with the high end unlimited > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> use > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> for a single reasonable fee of $US2,000 which means any service > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> provider > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> or large company could implement it quite easily and they offered an > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> ASP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> service for one off licenses with a monthly fee. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What confuses me about this whole space is JIAX. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If there is an existing free application available, albeit free and > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> not > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> perfect, why haven't more people chosen to spend time fixing this or > >>>>>> offered bounties for it's improvement. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the end of the day maybe there just aren't as many people looking > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> use this functionality as 'perceived' and my proposal is wrong. As > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> it's > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> not my investment I think the founders of Mexuar made the right > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> choice. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Will be interesting to see if a lot of people chime in on this > >>>>>> discussion and I'm shown to be right and there is a market for $25 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> per > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> simultaneous call licenses. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dean Collins > >>>>>> Cognation Pty Ltd > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> +1-212-203-4357 > >>>>>> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz- > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Rubenstein > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2007 7:33 AM > >>>>>>> To: Mike Clark > >>>>>>> Cc: Asterisk -Biz > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ribbit.com ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> $5 per end user is way too much for little Web apps like > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> chatrooms or > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> sales/cust-svc chats, or anything where a given random user from > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> public on the Web isn't going to return at least $10 a year in > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> profit > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> from which that license can be paid. Even $5 per running instance > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> too > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> high. The problem isn't so much the price, but just a per-instance > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> fee > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> as a limit to scale. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The solution is a license fee on a middleware server with > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> traffic > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> capacities, and a free client. But if the middleware does't offer > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> value > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> of its own (beyond being the "key" for the clients to work), then > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> it's > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> going to be a nuisance. In any case, the client should be free. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> Which > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> one impediment to widespread development, which is a reason it > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> isn't > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> here yet. But since there is some development, with those bizmodel > >>>>>>> constraints, I'd think there'd be several options already for > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> "webpage > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> voice" integrated with the PSTN. These same business constraints > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> don't > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> seem to have eliminated any number of free clients floating around > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> seeing lots of use. Which are then harnessed to support business > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> models > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> relating to the business, not to the software used by the business. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 07:20 -0500, Mike Clark wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They key is not creating a barrier to entry. It would be ideal if > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> I > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> could license a "Mexuar-like" client in small lots of 5 or 10 at > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> price > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> of around $10 per license. You might even give away a "free" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> developer > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> pack of 2 licenses so folks can easily get started. This all > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> enables > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> little gut to get in the game, and then maybe hit a homerun > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> resulting in > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> thousands of licenses. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dean Collins wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But Mike the question remains how much is it worth to you to be > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> able to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> do this? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dean Collins > >>>>>>>>> Cognation Pty Ltd > >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>> +1-212-203-4357 > >>>>>>>>> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Clark > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 17 December 2007 5:22 PM > >>>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Commercial and Business-Oriented > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Asterisk > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> Discussion > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Ribbit.com ? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Matthew Rubenstein wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dean, how would you describe Mexuar, with its embeddable > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> but > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> proprietary IAX applet, in that context? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ...snipped a bunch.. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm not Dean, but I'll comment here.I evaluated Mexuar and > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> really > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> liked > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> it, but they had no good mechanism for a small developer to > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> get > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> started. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> They wanted a substantial up front licensing fee to get going. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> OTOH, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> you turned out to be successful, it was a good deal because it > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> was a > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> time fee. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Ribbit has a totally different model as they are a full blown > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ITSP and > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> have provided a Flex/Actionscript API to their Flash phone > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> component > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> no charge to developers. I have an app ready to roll as soon > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> as > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> they > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> completely live. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I would love to see a similar type API to a Flash SIP or IAX2 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> component > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> where I could access my own Asterisk or Freeswitch server. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Mike Clark > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (C) Matthew Rubenstein > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > > > asterisk-biz mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-biz mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
