Well....they terminate all their Home Phone to a bunch of BTX4K....I believe the BTX4K is capable of encryption, but I've been told by a former Rogers employee that he is pretty sure they aren't using it (it doesn't scale well)

I just found this on the BTX4K. It says it signals TGCP (which is the PacketCable extensions to MGCP)

http://www.nuera.com/products/ORCA_BTX-4K.cfm


----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bill Sandiford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Scary Call from Bell Muscle Men...


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"Bill" == Bill Sandiford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
   Bill> Basically the Rogers Home Phone adapter is a normal DOCSIS
   Bill> cable modem with a NCS VoIP ATA built in.  For those of you
   Bill> that don't know, NCS is a bunch of extensions to MGCP designed
   Bill> for and by the cable industry (kind of like H.248).  So what
   Bill> you basically have is a modem/ATA combo not much different
   Bill> than the DSL modem/ATA combos that are available (think Zoom
   Bill> x5v, Zhone 6238 or Thomson 780wl)

 So Rogers actually deployed NCS then?
 Yes, it's MGCP, which is *TOTALLY* insecure unless you encrypt.
Fortunately NCS does encrypt using IPsec, keyed using a kerberos based
method.
 (NCS infrastructure is *TESTED* using a variation of Openswan)

   Bill> As far as the "anyone can listen to your call comment", once
   Bill> again possible but highly unlikely.  In order to do this
   Bill> someone would have to meet all of the following requirements.

 ...
 or... crack the system which is used by the COPS to do eavesdropping,
which actually is not very secure....


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