Maybe its the people with the warrants or court orders that people are trying
to secure themselves from.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Robinson
To: Bill Sandiford
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Scary Call from Bell Muscle Men...
I don't know what the law sez in Ontario, but here in the ex colonies, and
New York in particular listening to telephone conversations without an order
from the judge will get you a felony conviction. And I seem to remember that
a couple in the UK did time for selling Princess Di's conversation on her cell
phone to the Fleet street press. Given the type of roommates your are likely
to encounter in our prisons...to be avoided at all costs. (Unless of course
you are the present Federal administration).......
On 12/6/07, Bill Sandiford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok....time to get technical
It's not exactly accurate to say they use "Packet Cable". They use a
variety of technologies from Cable Labs, the proprietors of the PacketCable
project.
Basically the Rogers Home Phone adapter is a normal DOCSIS cable modem with
a NCS VoIP ATA built in. For those of you that don't know, NCS is a bunch
of extensions to MGCP designed for and by the cable industry (kind of like
H.248). So what you basically have is a modem/ATA combo not much different
than the DSL modem/ATA combos that are available (think Zoom x5v, Zhone 6238
or Thomson 780wl)
As far as the "sharing" comment goes, well this is true however it is a very
unfair comment to make. Rogers puts all of their DOCSIS based Home Phone
devices on a specific cable frequency (channel) dedicated for home phone.
So the packets are on a shared channel, but the only other thing on that
channel are other Home Phone units. The potential impact of this on voice
quality is minimal to none.
As far as the "anyone can listen to your call comment", once again possible
but highly unlikely. In order to do this someone would have to meet all of
the following requirements.
1) connect to the coax cable IN YOUR neighborhood, either at their home or
at a tap (not very hard to do)
2) convert a normal cable modem into a bridge and configure it to listen to
the channel (frequency) that Rogers has dedicated for home phone in your
neighborhood (very hard) or buy some *VERY EXPENSIVE* RF test gear
3) run a protocol analyzer like wireshark on the data coming off of the
'cable modem bridge' or RF test gear (easy)
So, it is possible to listen to a neighbor's Rogers Home phone calls, but
very unlikely. And like Phil said, all you need to listen to someones Bell
line is a $3 phone, and a pair of alligator clips. If you live in the same
neighborhood and have a BIX tool and a 5/8" socket you could even divert
their line to you house...permanently.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Scary Call from Bell Muscle Men...
> On 6 Dec 2007 at 19:29, Michael Richardson wrote:
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>> Are you sure?
>> I know that Rogers' has said this, but it is my understanding that
>> they haven't actually implemented this.
>> And, even if it is on the same frequencies as the Internet, you can't
>> see other people's traffic on cable without non-standard equipment. (And
>> I
>> don't mean a Linux CD).
>
> Positive, they use Packet Cable technology
>
> Unless you've got some serious test/monitoring equipment, you
> ain't seeing anything on the drop into your house
>
>
>>
>> >> I think the biggest concern I have is the battery life on the
>> >> phone line is fairly short, in case of an emergency (ala major
>> >> blackout).
>>
>> jp> The battery life of the phone is supposedly 8 hours, not sure
>> jp> about battery life of equipment shelters between you and the
>> jp> cable head-end
>>
>> And... Bell lost power to many of their LEC's after about 20 hours
>> during the ice-storm, and had to get generators out to there.
>
> Anything that is connected directly to a CO shouldn't ever loose
> power unless the loop is cut
>
> Although nowadays they have optical quite close to the kerb
>
> JP
>
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