opaqueice;179568 Wrote: 
> I don't follow your logic.  They couldn't hear the difference, but your
> faith tells you there must be one, and therefore blind tests don't
> work?  Wouldn't it be simpler to posit that there isn't a difference?

Do you really think a Strad sounds like any run of the mill violin?  I
bet if someone ran a test with a set (any set) of Gretch drums and a
set of Ludwig Vistalite drums and had the same results you'd be telling
me they sound the same as well.  I can't tell you, having heard the
former on many occasions and owned the latter (horrible, boomy sounding
things really), they sound nothing alike.

My point is, you could run any number of blind tests where people could
not tell the difference.  That doesn't mean there isn't one.  I'm sure
you could tape the sound of a Corvette and a Ferrari each reving their
engines, play snippets of them back and a group of people could not
correctly identify the differences over a series of tests.  Proves only
that those people didn't know what to listen for or that they are half
deaf OR that blind testing isn't particularly usefull.

I had a guy in my place listening to a pair of speakers I was trying to
sell him.  I was using my Squeezebox as a source, playing FLAC files of
particularly good recordings (I was trying to demonstrate the speakers
at their best after all) and guess what?  The guy wanted to know what
radio stations I was streaming.  I can assure you, my digital audio
setup, streaming lossless audio, does NOT sound like internet radio. 
He bought the speakers, he thought the sound was amazing.  So, does
internet radio and lossless audio sound the same on my rather expensive
system or is the listener at fault?  It doesn't matter that I did not
A/B both for him.  I can tell a compresssed stream from a mile away.  I
would never be "fooled" into confusing a lossless stream to a highly
compressed one.

So, I'm not interested in the results of some blind test.  And I'm not
interested in hearing how only the "least perceptible" stuff has been
ripped out.  If I didn't care about the minutiae and nuances I wouldn't
have spent the kind of cash I have to build a audio system.  No, I'm not
a detail freak, I don't like my systems analytical, but I do want them
to be at least somewhat revealing and not gloss over the details
completely.

Adam.


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