I was trying to figure out what you were getting
at. I use a glide computer, not the Mark 1
eyeball for final glides. If you are going to do
really skinny final glides it better be one you
are familiar with and a glider you are familiar with.
I'm also very conservative and while I've taken
the risk of having an outlanding in order to gain
contest points I've never knowingly risked my
life by going where I couldn't reasonably get to
a suitable landing area. I've been fortunate to
have an outstanding crew who can drive and
navigate and a good trailer so de-rigging is a
simple 5 minute operation. Running into a rabbit
hole in the paddock is just the luck of the draw.
In 63 for real paddock landings the worst damage
was a flat main tyre.(there's an interesting
story - don't land out on the highest ground for
about 100 km around - and eagles climb better than gliders)
Anyway after looking at Google Earth and the TV
footage I don't think we're talking about a
misjudged skinny final glide in this case. YMMV
(Your Mileage May Vary). Then again we may never
get to know and speculation is all we have.
It doesn't do any harm BTW. We have a broken
glider and pilot and it can be a great learning
experience to figure out how this MIGHT have
happened. Trusting officialdom to come up with
the truth is fraught. I know of one GFA accident
investigation that was totally FUBAR because of
faulty logic and lack of understanding of the
characteristics of the instrumentation relied upon.
The ATSB was brought into being because, quite
rightly, it was perceived that the regulator
would never find fault with its own rules and
procedures even when they were contributory. The GFA investigates itself.
Does anyone know what really happened at Ararat
nearly 4 years ago? Like how many hours did the
instructor have? How many solo? How many
instructing? How many last 12 months, last 90
days? The US NTSB would let you know.
Mike
At 06:13 PM 3/1/2016, you wrote:
Possibly of interest Mike.Â
Can you enlarge on this comment. Do you mean
open the dive brakes 10 km for the Airfield and
make an off field landing, as I have suggested?
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Mike Borgelt
<<mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>
wrote:
I thought that's what dive brakes were for.
Mike
At 10:12 AM 3/1/2016, you wrote:
There have been quite a few accidents in recent
years due to misjudging the approach to landing and undershooting.
Clearly if the angle of approach seems too low
a pilot will take option B and make an
outlanding.ÃÂ It is probably much easier to
see this in a short wing Kookaburra than it is
in a 50:1 glider. ÃÂ In a high performance
glider the difference between a safe approach
and a marginal one is about 1 degree.ÃÂ Worse
still if the area adjacent to the runway is
unlandable and hence the outlanding decision
must be taken quite a way from the airfield. Ã Ã
Hence when flying a modern glider it is
probably a good idea to add an additional safety marginÃ
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Gary
Stevenson <<mailto:gstev...@bigpond.com>gstev...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Hello Bob,
Good to see you in print again.
Ã
For newer members to our sport, Let me say that
Bob has ââ¬been there and done thatâ in
reference to most elements of our sport. OOn
this particular aspect of our sport ..... yep
he has à âÅÅ been there and done thatâ
too, having looked Death in the eye after he
had a nassty landing discussion with a fence.
Ã
Again for newer members, I have attached what
is perhaps the seminal article (1993), on this
subject, by a guy named Bruno Gantenbrink, (now
another old fogey). However he was not always
an old fogey, and you might be a bit surprised
at some of the tricks he got up to!
Ã
I noted Richard Frawleyâs one line comment
nt with some surprise: Totally irrelevant here,
but it could be the basis of a new thread:
However I expect that this topic has already been done to death, so is not new.
Ã
Regards.
Gary
Ã
Ã
From: Aus-soaring [
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Bob Ward
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:43 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV
Ã
If Peter Cesco with his myriad experience does
not know that gliding is many times more
dangerous than the drive to the airport, then I
am truly amazed. In my forty nine years
continuous participation with the sport, I can
now count thirteenÃÂ people I knew who have
perished whilst perusing gliding. Two of these
were members of my own club, and several were competition associates.
I do not have any answer as to how we promote
our sport if we are honest and face up to the
fact that it is essentially âÅbloody
dangerousâ . This is of course a dilemma
facing the GFA and individuals or groups trying
to promote our sport. However I cringe when I
hear glider pilots try to perpetuate the old
myth âthe most t dangerous part of gliding is the drive to the airportâ
Otherwise I agree that Peterâs TV spot was as a creditable performance.
Regards
Bob Ward
Ã
From: <mailto:glenn...@bigpond.com>Glenn McLean
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:04 PM
To:
<mailto:aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au>Discussion
of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV
Ã
Thanks David.
Glenn
On 2/29/2016 6:41 PM, David Holmes wrote:
HI Glen
Ã
Is this what you want?
Ã
<http://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/2016-nsw-state-championships-lake-keepit-gld-2016/results>http://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/2016-nsw-state-championships-lake-keepit-gld-2016/results
<http://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/2016-nsw-state-championships-lake-keepit-gld-2016/results>Soaring
Spot :: 2016 NSW State Championships
<http://www.soaringspot.com>www.soaringspot.com
Lake Keepit Gld, Australia, 27 February 2016 â 5 March 2016 ...
Ã
Ã
Ã
Kind Regards,
David
Ã
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From: Aus-soaring
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au
on behalf of Glenn McLean
<mailto:glenn...@bigpond.com>mailto:glenn...@bigpond.com
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 6:34 PM
To: <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au>aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV
Ã
Hi Derek,
Any idea on how to access info about the NSW
State Comps? I looked at the keepit website and it goes nowhere.
Regards
Glenn
On 2/29/2016 4:29 PM, Derek wrote:
Any idea why he didnât land on the clear strip jp just to the right?
Ã
Ã
From: Aus-soaring [
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 1:54 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV
Ã
On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Anthony Smith
<<mailto:anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net> anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net> wrote:
Ã
Which show was it on?
Ã
<https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/30949880/adelaide-doctor-recovering-in-hospital-after-glider-crash/#page1>https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/30949880/adelaide-doctor-recovering-in-hospital-after-glider-crash/#page1
Ã
à à- mark
Ã
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