Hi Matt,

Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ?


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> On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce identical hardware to run 
> their proprietary software on.[1] There is no standard, open or closed, to 
> license and implement. This really doesn't have any bearing to the ISO 
> standards writing process, except in how dissimilar it is.
> 
> As for the encryption, here's the IGC's views on the matter[2]
> "it is our opinion that the justifications for encryption cited by FLARM are 
> weak, and that the actual motivations for encrypting the messages fall 
> largely outside the technical realm."
> 
> I think FLARM has done great things for gliding. I am proud to own a 
> PowerFLARM, but they've overstepped the mark with encryption.
> 
> [1]http://flarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/FLARM-System-Design-and-Compatibility.pdf
> [2]http://www.fai.org/downloads/igc/IGC_2016_Plenary_AX6_2_4
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Justin Couch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 7/03/2016 1:42 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
>>> Protecting the text of a standard under copyright and making it 
>>> purchasable, is not the same thing as making the standard unimplementable 
>>> without paying license fees, and you know it.
>>> 
>>> Reputable standards bodies insist on open royalty free patent licensing 
>>> these days. The ones that don’t are slowly marginalizing themselves.
>> 
>> Incorrect. I've been involved in the ISO standards writing process for just 
>> over 20 years now - including part of the MPEG 4 and 7 standards, so I know 
>> it inside out. Reputable standards bodies like ISO have individual IP policy 
>> for every specification or group. It is not blanket across the organisation. 
>> In the case of MPEG, there is a large patent body pool called MPEG-LA. You 
>> cannot implement an open standard without paying license fees for the 
>> patents behind. MPEG is very far from being an isolated incident at ISO. 
>> There are other completely open standards such as SEDRIS or X3D that require 
>> contributors to license any contributed patents for zero cost to all 
>> implementors. There's, of course, others in between.
>> 
>> 
>>> I can write an MPEG implementation which interoperates with everyone else’s 
>>> MPEG streams and distribute it in competition with other MPEG 
>>> implementations, by following the text of the standard.
>> 
>> No you can't. You can try, but they will come after you, particularly if you 
>> write an encoder. That's why alternates like Ogg guys started out - to 
>> completely avoid the patents.
>> 
>> 
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