Firstly to Mark Morgan...you are referring to outdated Regulations. You
need to update your copy with the current version on the GFA website.
I sent a response to Derek's message yesterday but it obviously has not been
received (am I in a kill file??). I will reiterate the requirements as
stated in the current Manual of Standard Procedures - Part 2:
16.4 Air operator certificates
An Air Operator Certificate (AOC) is necessary in order for a club to carry
out charter operations. A charter operation is defined as any operation
which carries passengers purely for hire and reward, without them becoming
GFA members.
17.1.2 Definition of Air Experience flight
An Air Experience flight is defined as carriage of a person who is a member
of the GFA (which may be short-term or introductory membership, as defined
from time to time by the GFA Council) for the purpose of experiencing the
sport of gliding.
There is no longer a requirement for the "passenger" to touch the controls
or receive instruction, although they can if they want within the
constraints of the regulations. This is reinforced in section 17.1.1 of
MOSP 2 which states "The pilot may demonstrate the glider's controls to the
person undertaking the AEF and may hand over control to that person, subject
to (some) conditions." (Note the use of the word 'may' and not 'must').
Consequently, AEFs now cater for those who merely want to experience a
glider flight as an observer. The key point is that the "passenger" must
become a member of the GFA to do so, even if only a short-term member. In
the undermentioned examples, as both people "want to try" gliding, then
providing they become GFA members they can be flown on an AEF. How they
were lured to the field is not relevant. I would, however, be wary of
advertising "joy flights" if the club does not hold an AOC.
Regards
Christopher Thorpe
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Ruddock
Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 16:55
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Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's
Nope. Read my question again. The requirements are quite clear once the type
of flight is established.
An AEF can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls.
A joyflight can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls.
This is the reason I asked for clarification: how is one to determine which
of the above scenarios identifies that a flight is a charter rather that an
AEF?.
Take the following scenarios:
1) a person walking down the street sees gliders overhead and decides that
they would like to try it. they find their way to the field, make enquiries
and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the controls at all,
but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos, thank you very
much.
2) a person walking down the street sees a small billboard about gliding and
decides that they would like to try it. They find their way to the field,
make enquiries and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the
controls at all, but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos,
thank you very much.
My understanding is that, although both people wish to fly, and neither
wants to touch the controls, the only distinguishing feature is that the
person in 2) responded to an advert, and therefore this becomes a charter
fiight.
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>On reading Daryl Connell's article in this months comic re passengers in
gliders, there seems to be little distinction between joyflights requiring
a charter rating & AOC, and an AEF requiring a AEI or higher, and no AOC.
>The only difference I could ascertain was that joyflights had responded to
an advert in the press or by the side of the road.
>Is this the only distinction between the two, ie the advert?
There is more to it than that or we wouldn't be going to all the pain to
make it clear to all our members.
Charter - joyflight, going for a ride to see the views and experience the
ride.
Must be flown by a "Charter" rated pilot.(Not an Instructor or a Passenger
Pilot)This pilot must have a current medical.
The passenger must not touch the controls at any time.
the passenger needs fill out no documentation before the flight as they are
covered under the "Carrier's Liability" insurance each club must have as
part of attaining an AOC.
AEF Air Experience Flight
Some one who is having a flight and be able to have a go, t5hey don't have
to but the option is there.
Must be flown by a minimum level of AEI rated pilot.(not a Passenger rated
or Charter rated pilot)
Pilot in command must have control of the aircraft below 800ft AGL
The passenger or more correctly the student must sign off on at least
"Short term" GFA membership this places them under the GFA umbrella.
See your club's copy of the MOSP Ops section 6.3 of the blue pages for the
AOC requirements
Also section 5.2.3 relating to pilots and charter, and instructor
privilages further on.
Its basically defining the difference between a charter flight primarily to
transport a body and an AEF is a training flight as such.
Regards
Mark Morgan
Waikerie Glider Maintenance
Po Box 320 Waikerie
SA 5330
ph. 08 8541 2644
fax 08 8541 2761
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