Stuart
This also raises the issue of Yellow Pages advertisements, or even Club web
sites ...
Jason
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From: Stuart & Kerri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's
> Looking for a legal opinion here.
>
> If the sign advertising the presence of the gliding operation has "Joy
> Flights" or something similar, then I believe this is advertising
flights -
> therefore AOC required
>
> What if the sign on the road reads "XYZ Gliding Club - Visitors Welcome"
> Is that considered soliciting business, or simply inviting members of the
> public to enter and have a look at the operation.
> If a flight follows this contact, I would like to think the visitor is
> taking the flight in response to their interest to visit the club, not a
> Joy Flight Ad. Therefore it is an AEF
>
> Serious answers only thanks.
>
> Stuart Ferguson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Derek
Ruddock
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 16:55
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's
>
> Nope. Read my question again. The requirements are quite clear once the
type
> of flight is established.
> An AEF can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls.
> A joyflight can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls.
> This is the reason I asked for clarification: how is one to determine
which
> of the above scenarios identifies that a flight is a charter rather that
an
> AEF?.
> Take the following scenarios:
> 1) a person walking down the street sees gliders overhead and decides that
> they would like to try it. they find their way to the field, make
enquiries
> and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the controls at all,
> but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos, thank you very
> much.
> 2) a person walking down the street sees a small billboard about gliding
and
> decides that they would like to try it. They find their way to the field,
> make enquiries and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the
> controls at all, but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos,
> thank you very much.
> My understanding is that, although both people wish to fly, and neither
> wants to touch the controls, the only distinguishing feature is that the
> person in 2) responded to an advert, and therefore this becomes a charter
> fiight.
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/07/01 15:43:01 >>>
> >On reading Daryl Connell's article in this months comic re passengers in
> gliders, there seems to be little distinction between joyflights requiring
> a charter rating & AOC, and an AEF requiring a AEI or higher, and no AOC.
> >The only difference I could ascertain was that joyflights had responded
to
> an advert in the press or by the side of the road.
> >Is this the only distinction between the two, ie the advert?
>
>
> There is more to it than that or we wouldn't be going to all the pain to
> make it clear to all our members.
>
> Charter - joyflight, going for a ride to see the views and experience the
> ride.
> Must be flown by a "Charter" rated pilot.(Not an Instructor or a Passenger
> Pilot)This pilot must have a current medical.
> The passenger must not touch the controls at any time.
> the passenger needs fill out no documentation before the flight as they
are
> covered under the "Carrier's Liability" insurance each club must have as
> part of attaining an AOC.
>
> AEF Air Experience Flight
> Some one who is having a flight and be able to have a go, t5hey don't have
> to but the option is there.
> Must be flown by a minimum level of AEI rated pilot.(not a Passenger rated
> or Charter rated pilot)
> Pilot in command must have control of the aircraft below 800ft AGL
> The passenger or more correctly the student must sign off on at least
> "Short term" GFA membership this places them under the GFA umbrella.
>
> See your club's copy of the MOSP Ops section 6.3 of the blue pages for the
> AOC requirements
> Also section 5.2.3 relating to pilots and charter, and instructor
> privilages further on.
>
> Its basically defining the difference between a charter flight primarily
to
> transport a body and an AEF is a training flight as such.
>
> Regards
> Mark Morgan
> Waikerie Glider Maintenance
> Po Box 320 Waikerie
> SA 5330
> ph. 08 8541 2644
> fax 08 8541 2761
>
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