Looking for a legal opinion here.
If the sign advertising the presence of the gliding operation has "Joy
Flights" or something similar, then I believe this is advertising flights -
therefore AOC required
What if the sign on the road reads "XYZ Gliding Club - Visitors Welcome"
Is that considered soliciting business, or simply inviting members of the
public to enter and have a look at the operation.
If a flight follows this contact, I would like to think the visitor is
taking the flight in response to their interest to visit the club, not a
Joy Flight Ad. Therefore it is an AEF
Serious answers only thanks.
Stuart Ferguson
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Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 16:55
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Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Joyflights/AEF's
Nope. Read my question again. The requirements are quite clear once the type
of flight is established.
An AEF can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls.
A joyflight can have a flight with no intention of touching the controls.
This is the reason I asked for clarification: how is one to determine which
of the above scenarios identifies that a flight is a charter rather that an
AEF?.
Take the following scenarios:
1) a person walking down the street sees gliders overhead and decides that
they would like to try it. they find their way to the field, make enquiries
and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the controls at all,
but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos, thank you very
much.
2) a person walking down the street sees a small billboard about gliding and
decides that they would like to try it. They find their way to the field,
make enquiries and decide to take a flight,but do not want to touch the
controls at all, but just wish to enjoy the scenery and take a few photos,
thank you very much.
My understanding is that, although both people wish to fly, and neither
wants to touch the controls, the only distinguishing feature is that the
person in 2) responded to an advert, and therefore this becomes a charter
fiight.
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>On reading Daryl Connell's article in this months comic re passengers in
gliders, there seems to be little distinction between joyflights requiring
a charter rating & AOC, and an AEF requiring a AEI or higher, and no AOC.
>The only difference I could ascertain was that joyflights had responded to
an advert in the press or by the side of the road.
>Is this the only distinction between the two, ie the advert?
There is more to it than that or we wouldn't be going to all the pain to
make it clear to all our members.
Charter - joyflight, going for a ride to see the views and experience the
ride.
Must be flown by a "Charter" rated pilot.(Not an Instructor or a Passenger
Pilot)This pilot must have a current medical.
The passenger must not touch the controls at any time.
the passenger needs fill out no documentation before the flight as they are
covered under the "Carrier's Liability" insurance each club must have as
part of attaining an AOC.
AEF Air Experience Flight
Some one who is having a flight and be able to have a go, t5hey don't have
to but the option is there.
Must be flown by a minimum level of AEI rated pilot.(not a Passenger rated
or Charter rated pilot)
Pilot in command must have control of the aircraft below 800ft AGL
The passenger or more correctly the student must sign off on at least
"Short term" GFA membership this places them under the GFA umbrella.
See your club's copy of the MOSP Ops section 6.3 of the blue pages for the
AOC requirements
Also section 5.2.3 relating to pilots and charter, and instructor
privilages further on.
Its basically defining the difference between a charter flight primarily to
transport a body and an AEF is a training flight as such.
Regards
Mark Morgan
Waikerie Glider Maintenance
Po Box 320 Waikerie
SA 5330
ph. 08 8541 2644
fax 08 8541 2761
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