On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 14:59, Peter Stephenson wrote:
> I recommend never to fly an IS29 off the winch for the first time without
> experiencing a stall at height.

Rubbish Peter,

What about cable/rope breaks? These can happen at low level even on an
aero tow and you need to be ready to recognise and recover from a stall
or spin without having ever seen one!

This is exactly why we train people to recognise and recover from stalls
and spins with minimum altitude loss (and brief on stalling/spinning as
part of he conversion process to a single seater).

There is absolutely NO problem with flying an IS29 off the winch, even
if you have never stalled it before. How do you think people manage at
winch only sites (quite apart from the stall/spin risk of an aero tow
rope break)?

What is necessary is that the individual is properly trained and briefed
on the aircraft...

a) so that they should not stall/spin off the winch (but we're all
human, so we have back ups in terms of recovery actions)...

b) so that they recognise stalls and know the minimum altitude loss
recovery action instinctively (and have demonstrated this)

c) so that they recognise incipient and full spins and again know the
minimum altidude loss recovery action (and again have demonstrated this)

If, as an instructor, you are not convinced that someone has got this
down pat, then they should not be going solo in ANYTHING, irrespective
of the launch method.

If you are going to be an instructor, please think these things through
before you start spouting rubbish in public. It does not do you any
credit and, worse, it WILL confuse students (and even some trained
pilots) who think that instructors are never wrong.

-- 
Robert Hart                                      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+61 (0)438 385 533
Brisbane, Australia                        http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

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