Apologies accepted, but don't hold back next time. :-)) i.e. Robert and I
know each other and fly the same IS29.
However,  I still standby what I wrote but I won't pick holes in your
argument publicly because as Mark Newton wrote:

"Ok, we can probably stop this here.
<snip>
I'm not sure that bitchslapping each other about spin recognition and
recovery training is a useful exercise here.  The loss of control
happened so fast and so close to the ground that it's unlikely that any
recovery was possible -- Assuming it was a spin at all (someone with
accident investigation qualifications can make that determination;
Someone who saw it can make a reasonable guess;  Someone on a mailing
list 3000km away has absolutely no idea and probably shouldn't fan the
flames)."

PeterS

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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Accident in Barossa valley


> My apologies to Peter
>
> That last  message was supposed to be a private reply.
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