Apologies to Emilis... I have to say the IS32 is surely the worst thing I have 
flown. It is tin (which leaks at 12,000 feet in wave causing frozen pilots), it 
has no feel, the rudder is too small and the flaps don't actually do anything, 
plus it is uncomfortable. I'd like to say that it has a redeeming feature of 
performing OK, but it doesn't even do that...

The nicest is still the LS8... it is like wearing wings.

BT.

PS. I love this favourite glider thing... so objective!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glenn McLean 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4?


  Bruce,
  What an unfortunately obtuse comment regarding the Hornet. I realise that you 
are entitled to your opinion,- even when it is as incorrect as yours. PIO's are 
generally caused by poor pilot input, and not as you allude , a fault of the 
aircraft. All the glasfuegels need a little time to get used to the parellogram 
control system. Never had a pio in any of them.

  The most enjoyable aircraft I have flown, was the Mucha, and then SZD's 
finest production, the Cobra. I think they must have changed the engineering 
department after that, and not for the better unfortunately.
  The worst aircraft I have ever flown was without doubt, the Scwiezer 2-22. 
Unfortunately for me, I was sentenced to hard labour instructing in the barge 
for years, the only good point it did have -was a door for rear pilot entry.

  Cheers
  Glenn

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Bruce Campbell 
    To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
    Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:19 PM
    Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4?


    Stuart,

    Don't worry, it wasn't MP. Only flew one Hornet, that was enough. Of course 
if you reckon I'm wrong then I'd be happy to fly yours to be 
corrected....Having said what I said about Libelles too, I must say that I have 
flown about 4 Libelles and they were all fun, but I just prefer a Cirrus, 
they're even more fun - and thermalling a Cirrus is like cheating. They tell 
you the thermal is RIGHT THERE. Try flying my Dad's Libelle with the 17m Renner 
tip extensions for a whole new experience at rudder ineffectiveness. Why has 
no-one ever come up with a rudder extension mod for a Libelle?* With a rudder 
they'd be great! 

    I'm going to have to stop replying to this list again.......

    Cheers

    Bruce
     


    * H201b has a bigger fin, but the rudder is just as poor!

     
    On 17/04/07, Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
      Bruce,

                 I have never experienced PIO in my Hornet, and I hope your 
referring to a particular aircraft

      with your comment in brackets.   



      SDF




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      From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce 
Campbell
      Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:45 PM
      To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
      Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4?



      Mitch,



      Std Cirrus is MUCH nicer to fly than a Libelle. Just don't let go of the 
stick, and don't fly it at the aft limit.



      Aileron/rudder coord is perfect. Libelle is shocking. Elevator is not 
pitch sensitive as such, it is just low stick force per G. That sounds 
counter-intuitive, but for normal control movements it is not sensitive, but 
excessive movements produce large G loading - esp if you let go of the stick 
and it gets a gust or something - then the stick goes to full travel (either 
way) and you get a large G response. Easy fix - DON'T LET GO OF THE STICK. 



      I never had PIO in a Std Cirrus, and I've flown 7 of them now. I did have 
PIO in a Hornet (piece of junk) as there is no "feel" to the stick at all. 



      Cheers



      Bruce









       

      On 17/04/07, Mitchell Preston < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

      Looks like the result of a Piper Cub and a K4 having a quick
      'liaison' behind a hangar...

      Speaking of all-moving tails (boom tish!), I always found myself at 
      least 10 seconds behind the similarly-adorned Janus that BT used to
      have at his Kentucky ops. I've never quite worked up the courage to
      get back into a glider of the AMT species. I'm sure my fears are 
      unfounded - just a case of once bitten etc. I dips me lid to you Std
      Cirrus drivers. Can't be any more 'difficult' to fly than a Std
      Libelle, can they? On the topic of glider handling characteristics, 
      an open question to all and sundry (and JR): which glider has had you
      walking away from it after landing saying "Thanks, but no thanks"? I
      don't mean the Libelle, by the way (my father had one - I thought it 
      was tops).

      Alf Lying-Tale.




      On 17/04/2007, at 7:57 AM, Caleb White wrote:

      > That's actually one of the more tasteful K-4 motor conversions I've
      > seen photos of.
      > 

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