Yo Jim,
Good point mate re: the OLC handicaps, why not adopt them? The juniors lead
the way in this one @ the JG just been. Obviously I wasn't there, but I've
been told that they worked very well and fairly.
Nick, have you got time to post a few comments re: JG @ Gawler?
Regards,
WPP
P.s. Would be good to re-score a MC nats on the JG handicaps to see how the
results would've changed the finals..
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:25:56
+0000Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps
Yeah, Brought this one up at Kingaroy multiclass when I attempted to fly the
Mighty ASW 19 against LS8's etc, giving away 4% I recall. ASW 19 max
wingloading is only 41kg/sqm, what's the LS8? about 54? Even when you consider
only the glide angle, 4% doesn't cover the difference of 39/1 vs 43/1. True,
bruce did well at Keepit in his 19 but he did win every day except one at
Kingaroy in the std's last year. I would put the performance at Keepit down to
Bruce, not the generous multiclass handicap of the 19. You just can't get a
fair handicap of a 30 year old glider vs. a new one. Get rid of the handicaps.
Don't try to encourage the rest of us with older gliders to turn up to make up
the numbers with a few % here and there so you can tell us it's a fair system.
V2 better/ worse than ASG29.......depends whose flying it. Uk system is worked
out on a standard 4 kt thermal, same system as German system. NZ (who I believe
have strong thermals or stuff called wave) have adopted the UK handicap system
and use it in their multiclass comp.s. The OLC handicaps (very similar to UK)
seem to work well around the world, why not adopt them? Ok, said my bit......
Jim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:46:15
+1030Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps
Handicaps are for mugs.
LS1 1.0
LS4 0.94
LS8 0.92
LS10 0.885
This suggests that the LS4 is 6% better than an LS1 but an 18m flapped LS10 is
only 5.5 % better than an LS4.
Another way to look at it that in a 3 hour race the LS 8 gives the LS4 3 min 36
sec head start.
What does this mean? I don't know but handicaps and common sense don't seem to
mesh in my mind.
Philip
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From: Adam Woolley
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps
A very safe reply there Bernard, no chance of anyone 'biting' in the below
reply.. I just love this bit re: handicaps MultiClassLS10/18m: 0.955Ventus
2cxa: ???Ventus 2 18m: 0.955Lak17/18m: 0.955DG808 Competition: 0.955ASG29:
0.955 ClubClassLS10: 0.885Ventus 2cxa: 0.880Ventus 2c/cx/18m: 0.885Lak17/18m:
0.885DG808 18m: 0.885ASG29: 0.885Does this mean that the V2cxa has the
upperhand!?! RegardsWPP
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10:41:31 +1030Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps
Hello Nigel
I’m all for fairness and a level playing field but I’m not the
person to talk to when it comes to handicapping.
I suggest you refer the matter to the handicap committee.
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Hi Bernard,
O.K seeing as it looks like the ASG29 “walked all over us” then it should be
handicapped accordingly, a walking all over us handicap must be at least 2%?
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