No doubt a chat with Jeremy Thompson from DDSC, would also be enlightening, as Jeremy is an experienced X-country pilot and an Air Traffic Controller to boot. Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider access to Controlled Airspace.
When I was a Sector Controller in Brisbane (several years ago) one of the clubs also had a wave flying area out round the Bunya Mountains - don't know the details and don't know if it is current; maybe someone on the list knows the details Your best line of negotiation is through your State Association, RAPAC, and if all else fails contact the Brisbane ATC centre direct, if you need a contact there I know I can get you the right name. SDF ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Monday, 2 June 2008 5:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia.; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Mountain High Oxygen. Dave, I don't even know where Boonah is, except that it is somewhere north of Ararat, the gliding centre of Victoria. However, your comment about airspace and transponders interested me, as at least three Clubs to my knowledge have negotiated glider access to Class A airspace through Letters of Agreement with AirServices Australia. This process has CASA approval and a legal instrument has been promulgated allowing access for non-transponder equipped gliders into controlled airspace subject to approval by AirServices. The clubs are as follows: Canberra Gliding Club: Access to Class A airspace within the Snowy Mountains Wave Soaring Area (low and high) Grampians Soaring Club: Access to Class A airspace within 4 sectors of the Grampians Wave Soaring Area WA clubs: Access to Class A airspace in the Stirling Ranges area (I don't know details) All three Agreements permit glider access (with various conditions) to Class A airspace which, in the nominated areas, has a lower limit of FL245. You might think that seeking clearance to fly above FL 245 is mighty greedy, considering that many glider pilots have never exceeded FL150, but when the wave is really on and you're sitting on 10 kts climbing through FL 220 you'll be eternally grateful that you have a legal means of pushing higher if you want to. So, in principle, there is no reason why your club should not prepare a case for a Letter of Agreement for a nominated area. Run the application through your state Airports & Airspace Officer and RAPAC for consideration by AirServices and Office of Airspace Regulation. There is no guarantee that an application will be successful, but if you don't make one you will never know. All I know is that scores of glider pilots, myself included, have gained authorised access to controlled airspace and experienced flying conditions and rewards that they would never have achieved otherwise. Go for it!! Regards, Geoff V >A couple of the guys were at 8500ft at Boonah Sunday before last and were >bemoaning the fact that they couldn't go any higher. If you plan to go >into controlled airspace you will not get a clearance unless you have a >transponder. I've butted up against this a number of times where you ask >for a clearance and they ask 'Transponder fitted' - 'No' - 'negative on >the clearance'. > >When I had my Astir it had oxygen. I used to get lots of headaches because >we'd be at 8-10000 for hours and I thought it was dehydration. Drank lots >and still got headaches. Then I twigged - turned the oxygen on to just a >trickle and the headache was gone!! Great performance improver for really >cheap!! > >Let me know if you need any help. 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