What proof is there that a second rigging inspection, done by another pilot who is not required to have any experience on the type, will 'significantly reduce the risk of a mistake'? This I suspect is pure conjecture.
Geoff's email shows that he knows his aircraft, and the other people do not. There are very few technical experts out there, just glider pilots with a wide variety of experience levels. There is even a potential hazard, in that this person might actually loosen or undo or dislodge the safety on a connection that they are not familiar with, and I for one will always go back and re-inspect my handiwork after someone else has had their hands on it. >> I'm not saying that people don't make mistakes. I'm not saying that someone else should not help the pilot check things after rigging, e.g. a positive control check. I am saying that the there should be only one signature on the maintenance release. Pam From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Parncutt Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 6:47 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident Geoff your argument explains precisely why we DO need a second rigging inspection! Things do get forgotten or missed (especially by more experienced pilots). I am more than happy to sign off on a duplicate inspection having made damn sure that it is right, why? Not because the risk of litigation but because I care about the safety of my fellow pilots and myself. It is absolutely clear that a second inspection will significantly reduce the risk of a mistake. John Parncutt From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM To: [email protected]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident Pam, I totally support your sentiments. Additionally, on several occasions I have deliberately left a rigging item "undone" in full view and on three occasions the error was not discovered by the second "inspector" who I might add were all pilots with many years experience. They all would have signed off the DI if I hadn't then intervened. From my viewpoint there is no substitute for doing the inspection properly yourself and taking full and sole responsibility for that. Regards, Geoff V At 04:56 PM 16/05/2011, Pam Kurstjens wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CC13EA.39BBB660" Content-Language: en-au Anyone who countersigns somebody else's rigging is nuts. Unless they have observed and checked it every inch of the way, fully understand the glider type they are signing off for, AND are willing to accept liability. Why do we expose our fellow glider pilots to this enormous burden of responsibility? Pam From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Matthew Gage Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate control check (or even DI) would have found the problem. Sadly, such a person would have spent months in court defending themselves, costing them many thousands with no prospect of any insurance helping them. In practice, the UK do have a 2nd inspection - just with no signature. The accident report even says this was done ! Is it the check that improves safety or the signature ???? On 16/05/2011, at 13:35 , rolf a. buelter wrote: Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a second chance to get it right! Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident > > > Lots of lessons in the Foka crash. > > One big one is how fortunate it was the BGA and there was no second > sigmnature on the DI after rigging. > > Mike > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > > email: [email protected] > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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