Bernard,
As a Scheicher owner and customer of yours I must comment on the JS1.
Although I agree they may have "borrowed" some design points, the wing and some
of the glider is original.
They perform well and seem to be finely built.
From what I have heard about certification they have done it all to the new
European standards, in fact as one of only two gliders in the world that this
is so![the other being ASH30]
As you know the ASG29 is grandfathered on the 27, Schemmp Discus2 is
grandfathered on the OLD Discus!!!
I think EASA is a crock of shit!
Regards,
Tom
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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident
Hi Mike (and others!)
You have hit the nail on the head but I'm not sure whether you are right when
you claim that established glider factories would take fewer
man hours to bring out
a new design. Only few glider pilots do not know that the JS1 fuselage was
molded of an ASH 26. This was initially
denied by the Jonker brothers but they have finally agreed to pay royalties to
Schleicher. The case is settled now.
But back to certification!
The extremely rigerous EASA type certification process represents a huge cost
burden on manufacturers who in turn have no choice but to
pass these costs on to the gliding community as a whole. But the exponential
increase in regulation over recent years has not only increased
cost but has also considerably delayed the introduction of new models.
The South African based manufacturer has circumvented this process by
'certifying' his glider in Africa. This, of course, is nowhere near as
costly, time consuming and rigerous as EASA and FAA certification. Consequently
it reduces the costs for putting a new aircraft on the
market quite considerably.
This might initially be welcome news for potential customers but it will have
the same negative impact on the resale value as other owners of
uncertified aircraft have experienced. It is also unclear to me how such
matters as ADs or other service difficulties are promulgated and
efficiently dealt with.
The point I'm trying to make is that an African certification is not recognised
in other parts of the world. It is my understanding that forign
certifications can only be recognised by GFA and/or CASA if they are either
issued by EASA and/or FAA. Therefore I'm still unsure how
such aircraft can be legally operated in countries like Australia.
Can anyone enlighten me, please?
Kind regards to all!
Bernard
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>To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
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>Sent:Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:18:59 +1000
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>Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident
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>At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
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>Gliders, in
comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple machines - just
ask the boys in South Africa who developed the JS1.They are reputed to
have put in over 70,000 total hours to get to official Type Approval!
>>
>>
>I'm not sure what this has to do with anything but that number of
hours may be right including all R&D, setting up a production
facility etc. including dealing with the bureaucrats. That's 35 to 40
people for a working year or 7 to 8 people for 5 to 6 years. Sounds about
right. Last I heard they were still getting screwed by the Europeans over
EASA certification. From their website
http://www.jonkersailplanes.com/index.php?pageid=84
>Read between the lines.
>
>An established glider factory would take far fewer man hours to bring out
a new design.
>
>Also there's this about certification :
>
>http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-2012-slash-new-aircraft-costs-to-lure-pilots-says-gama-371036/
>
>
>Can't say a bureaucrat's OK is worth much to me.
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