Peter,
I think you have got to the nub of it, but I am somewhat surprised that you feel it necessary to bring this topic up again.

Whilst Stu's figures are no doubt valid for actual strikes, the near misses hardly ever get reported, and therefore tallied up into (yet another), set of statistics. Unfortunately, (to my knowledge), there are no statistics for near misses, and more importantly, for glider pilot lives saved by flarm

I do not know of ANY glider pilot who flies regularly (lets say 100 hours per year), over a few seasons, who has not experienced a near miss at least once in his total flying experience. However do keep in mind the proven fact that mid-airs are most likely to occur within a few km of a glider airfield, so it is a certainty that early solo pilots can be, and are, right in the firing line! Time and time again it has been said that the use of flarm is an adjunct only to good lookout. So let me iterate - LOOKOUT, LOOKOUT, LOOKOUT.

Peter, you will certainly remember that the requirement for the mandatory use of flarms in GFA approved competitions, was almost solely driven by competition pilots in this country - against some bureaucratic resistance. Something like the resistance to the introduction of seat belts in motor cars, if you go that far back! In the wash up, seat belts save lives: Proven fact. In the wash up flarm saves lives: Proven fact. QED.

Military combat situations aside, my feeling is that the use of flarm, has already (by far), saved more lives than those saved by the use of a parachute within the time frame following the introduction of flarm.

So ..... how many lives has flarm saved?

Let me say not mine ... Yet! ... and in the bigger picture, I hope never! Today I cannot conceive of flying without a working flarm!

This would seem to me to be a very good place to acknowledge the debt that soaring pilots in this country owe to Nigel Andrews, who introduced the (Swiss developed), system to Australia. Thank you Nigel.

Gary

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stephenson (Internode)" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Mid Air collision risk


Having been involved with two near hits in the last 10 years, both of which would have been prevented by a Flarm, it seems bloody stupid not have a 750 Euro unit not installed in *every* aircraft.
PeterS

On 22/04/2012 12:29 PM, S Smith wrote:
Greetings

If you look in the following database,

http://aviation-safety.net/index.php

which is a wiki and lists aircraft crashes around the world back to 1920's

you will find  very very very very few mid-airs.


So far this year, for 896 recorded accidents there are the following only;

3 - military, training mid-airs 2 were combat jets / 1 was helicopters

1- GA, R22 helicopter vs Beechcraft in USA - both landed safely.

That's it.
For the whole world.

Now I accept this database is not  a complete listing,

and let's remember how many millions of flights there have been in that time,

but as a percentage, just 1 GA mid-air out of 896 reported accidents in last 6 months - a pretty reasonable sample size.

Maybe we should think about the causes of the other 890 too !

and get a sense of proportion.

regards
Stu
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