Gary,
I think lots of time on type is overrated. [it is helpful of course]

Allan flies everything from hangies to LS8 with equal tenacity.
Some pilots do not adjust well, but Allan and others do.
Chip Garner had 30 mins in Duckhawk before his comps this year, Norm Bloch had 
20 mins in a Discus before the last Uvalde worlds!
I did 420km at 106kph in a PW5 on my first flight, that night we checked world 
records - 300km was about 90kph, 100km about 70!!
[of course I did not have a logger or declared anything!]

Kerrie broke 4 world records on 2nd or 3rd flight in the PW5. [the speed was 
higher than the open speed but not by req 2kph!]

I could go on, adaptability is the key, those who only ever fly one glider at 
one or two sites may lose some of that.

Regards,
Tom



________________________________
 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
<[email protected]> 
Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Goals
 

 
Paul,
Greetings.
 
Your comment might be true, but it is 
meaningless in the present context.
 
From your statement I suspect that you have not 
flown a PW 5 for 100 hours or so, and probably not even for 1 hour.
 
We are talking quite different orders of (REDUCED), 
magnitude of performance here compared to LS 8 or even LS 4, or your own 
SZD 55. 
 
You might be somewhat surprised at just how many 
hours Allan now has in a LS 8. I don't know either, but my guess is well 
over 100 hours maybe closer to 150 hrs. More than enough anyway, to be rated as 
competent, and competitive on type.
 
Genuine, experienced, PW 5 drivers at World 
level, understand every nuance of their ship and the air they are flying in and 
react accordingly.Just in case you are missing the point that I made in line 3 
above, they have to react quite differently to a LS 4 (or LS 8), 
driver.
 
Allan is a great pilot, but I repeat, he 
is at a huge disadvantage. I understand that he may have less than 5 
hours on type (PW 5).
 
Think about it!
 
I certainly hope that Allan can put in a great 
performance, and meet (or exceed), the goals that he has set for himself in 
the upcoming comp. 
 
Which leads me to ask; "How are you going on 
meeting your own goals?"
 
Regards,
Gary
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Paul Bart 
>To: Discussion of issues relating  to Soaring in Australia. 
>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:01  PM
>Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Argentinian  Worlds
>
>>>   So, as Tim has  intimated, these are the reasons  why Allan has changed 
>>> classes  and will now be flying World Class - I hope; albeit at a huge  
>>> disadvantage to the rest of the field, given his inexperience in a PW  5. 
>
>
>Hmmm, the fact that he did not have too much time in LS8 does not seems  to be 
>hurting him too much in the US right now :).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>On 30 June 2012 20:32, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 
>>Hi Ron,
>>Have you made it to WA yet?
>> 
>>Tut, tut, tut. Graft and corruption in Argentina; how  can you possibly say 
>>that? In this case, I think that what you really  meant to say was that a 
>>certain party has been granted a  "special franchise" to handle the 
>>customs arrangements. 
>> 
>>I am sure you understand how this system works. Any  pilot is quite free to 
>>use somebody else, but ........do keep in mind that  if said pilot chooses 
>>the "alternate" route "Nothing can be guaranteed". I  will leave it to your 
>>imagination to suppose  which of the  many dire possibilities that can 
>>happen, WILL actually happen. Do  keep in mind too, that  "importing the 
>>glider" is regarded as one  exercise, and "exporting the (same) glider" is 
>>regarded as a  totally different exercise - so (just for a start), read "pay 
>>double". 
>> 
>>A very level playing field (for all but the  Argentinean competitors): As 
>>long as you are a millionaire pilot and can pay  on demand without hurting 
>>too much, or fully funded by your country  regardless of cost, you will not 
>>have a problem!
>> 
>> I think that Tim will prove right on the  numbers. I fell really sorry for 
>>Mike Durrant. He told me recently, that the  true cost to be competitive in 
>>Standard Class in Argentina  was of the order of A$50,000.00. This involved 
>>importing in, and then  exporting out a competitive glider as NO glider was 
>>available for hire in the whole of South America, let alone in  Argentina. 
>>Any competitive glider in SA would already be entered into the  competition!
>> 
>>Ron, I think the quanta of those "custom handling  fees" you mentioned is 
>>about right, but maybe one of the people  with first hand knowledge can 
>>confirm this? 
>> 
>>So, as Tim has intimated, these are the reasons   why Allan has changed 
>>classes and will now be flying World Class  - I hope; albeit at a huge 
>>disadvantage to the rest of the field, given  his inexperience in a PW 5.
>> 
>>I sure would like to know how Craig and Tobias  are managing (if at all), 
>>these basically financial/logistical  problems. It would seem that, as 
>>always, the flying is the easy(?) part of  the exercise, but more so in this 
>>venture!
>> 
>>Regards,
>>Gary
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Ron Sanders 
>>>To: Discussion  of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 2:00  PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring]  Argentinian Worlds
>>>
>>>With 10,000 USD required as graft to get a glider thru  customs I think the 
>>>IGC should have cancelled the event and held it some  where where corruption 
>>>is not the name of the game. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 30 June 2012 11:37, Tim Shirley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Ron,
>>>>
>>>>As I understand it there have been significant 
        problems with the costs and bureaucratic difficulties of getting 
gliders 
        into the country.  Apparently there are very few modern gliders 
        available locally.  I believe that Allan will now be flying in the 
        World Class as it is possible for him to hire a PW5 in 
        Argentina.
>>>>
>>>>Tobi Geiger, Craig Collings and Mike Durrant were in 
        the original team with Allan - Mike has withdrawn because of the costs 
        but I assume that Tobi and Craig are still attending.  Both are in 
        Club Class.
>>>>
>>>>This has not only affected Australia, there are many 
        others around the world who are facing this problem.  It may be a 
        fairly small event.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers 
>>>>Tim
>>>>tra dire e  fare c'è mezzo il mare
>>>>On 30/06/2012 13:21, Ron Sanders wrote:
>>>>
>>>>ONLY Alan??????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 29 June 2012 20:04, Ian Mc Phee <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Think Allan Barnes will be there.  Ian M
>>>>>>On Jun 29, 2012 9:07 PM, "Ron Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was just wondering if Australia has any pilots at all  attending the 
>>>>>>Argentinian Worlds in January 2013? 
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