Hi All,
A rather dark and depressing - it should never have happened - event, from 
which obviously lessons have been learnt: Pity about the cost in human lives!

I didn't see the TV program that Ross refers to, so maybe some of what I 
mention below, may have been touched on. 

Whilst it is a bit off-topic, there is another absolutely fascinating side to 
this story that involved the search and recovery of wreckage from the crash, 
and in particular the 'black-boxes" - flight data recorder, and cockpit voice 
recorder -  from an ocean depth of around 10,000'. If you are the slightest bit 
interested, Google "Flight 447" and go on from there. 

Whilst the information on the web just gives you the dry facts, you can be 
quite certain that there must have been a huge amount of high drama going on 
(in many places), over the search period and beyond. The search itself spanned 
the period 31 May 2009 - 2 May 2011. 

Other related threads include the Technical Investigation, which concluded on 
the 5 May 2012, and a Criminal Investigation that commenced on  5 June 2009. 
Whilst initially totally routine, preliminary manslaughter charges were laid in 
March 2011 firstly against Airbus and  the next day against Air France. As of 
13 May 2013, The NY Daily news stated "......court battle continues", referring 
to Air France.

Like many true stories, you can be certain that the stories here leave fiction 
for dead! Would make at least one great movie for sure.

Gary
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Terry Neumann 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447


  Thanks Mike.   I was also aware of this information from both this source, 
and from another which I've been unable to rediscover.

  I've tried to keep up with the AF 447 disaster information flow from day one. 
  It is a fascinating jigsaw which reveals a whole series of events which 
conspired to bring about the tragic final result. 

  The mistakes made by the pilot(s) - in particular Bonin - are the easiest 
ones to attack.  However there were other factors involved which are outside of 
the charter for discussion on this list - equipment failure, weather, darkness, 
absence of the captain from the cockpit through a zone of known bad weather,  
pilot training and experience and the aircraft design philosophy itself.   It 
will probably discussed and argued for a very long time to come.   

  Terry N    



  On 13/05/2013 10:57 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:


    I thought I had seen something like this in relation to AF447

    The guy flying was Cedric Bonin

    From pprune:

      10th Dec 2011, 04:06   #711 (permalink) 
    ChrisJ800 
     
    Join Date: May 2011
    Location: Australia
    Posts: 107 
    Bonin experience from 3rd interim report, anyone have more details? 

    Private Pilot's License issued in 2000
    ATPL theory in 2000
    Professional pilot's license issued in 2001
    Multi-engine instrument type rating issued in 2001

    Glider pilot's license issued in 2001

    Following his selection by Air France, pilot training course at the Amaury 
de la Grange
    piloting school in Merville from October 2003
    A320 type rating issued in 2004 (within Air France). End of line training 
and pilot in
    command for first time in September 2004
    ATPL License issued on 3 August 2007
    Additional A340 type rating issued in February 2008 (with Air France). End 
of LOFT and
    pilot in command for first time in June 2008
    Additional A330 type rating and LOFT in December 2008 




    Bolding mine.


    Mike



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