Also is an interview with sullenberger on US TV channel on YouTube re air France flight 447. Initially he sits in an Airbus simulator explaining how it happened with individual side sticks. He then sits in a Boeing simulator with reporter and explains with the Boeing it could not happen as the other pilot would have the control column in his lap and realise something is really wrong with control position.
As Norm Sanders said on the Andrew Bolt report on channel 10. "If it ain't Boeing I ain't going". Ian m On 13/05/2013 6:09 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Hi All, > A rather dark and depressing - it should never have happened - event, from > which obviously lessons have been learnt: Pity about the cost in human > lives! > > I didn't see the TV program that Ross refers to, so maybe some of what I > mention below, may have been touched on. > > Whilst it is a bit off-topic, there is another absolutely fascinating side > to this story that involved the search and recovery of wreckage from the > crash, and in particular the 'black-boxes" - flight data recorder, and > cockpit voice recorder - from an ocean depth of around 10,000'. If you are > the slightest bit interested, Google "Flight 447" and go on from there. > > Whilst the information on the web just gives you the dry facts, you can > be quite certain that there must have been a huge amount of high drama > going on (in many places), over the search period and beyond. The > search itself spanned the period 31 May 2009 - 2 May 2011. > > Other related threads include the Technical Investigation, which concluded > on the 5 May 2012, and a Criminal Investigation that commenced on 5 June > 2009. Whilst initially totally routine, preliminary manslaughter charges > were laid in March 2011 firstly against Airbus and the next day against > Air France. As of 13 May 2013, The NY Daily news stated "......court battle > continues", referring to Air France. > > Like many true stories, you can be certain that the stories here leave > fiction for dead! Would make *at least one* great movie for sure. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Terry Neumann <[email protected]> > *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > Australia.<[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2013 11:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447 > > Thanks Mike. I was also aware of this information from both this source, > and from another which I've been unable to rediscover. > > I've tried to keep up with the AF 447 disaster information flow from day > one. It is a fascinating jigsaw which reveals a whole series of events > which conspired to bring about the tragic final result. > > The mistakes made by the pilot(s) - in particular Bonin - are the easiest > ones to attack. However there were other factors involved which are > outside of the charter for discussion on this list - equipment failure, > weather, darkness, absence of the captain from the cockpit through a zone > of known bad weather, pilot training and experience and the aircraft > design philosophy itself. It will probably discussed and argued for a > very long time to come. > > Terry N > > > > On 13/05/2013 10:57 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > > I thought I had seen something like this in relation to AF447 > > The guy flying was Cedric Bonin > > From pprune: > > [image: Old] 10th Dec 2011, 04:06 #*711* > (*permalink*<http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/466259-af447-final-crew-conversation-thread-no-1-a-36.html#post6892934>) > > ChrisJ800 <http://www.pprune.org/members/358956-chrisj800> > > Join Date: May 2011 > Location: Australia > Posts: 107 > *Bonin experience from 3rd interim report, anyone have more details?* > > Private Pilot’s License issued in 2000 > ATPL theory in 2000 > Professional pilot’s license issued in 2001 > Multi-engine instrument type rating issued in 2001 > > *Glider pilot’s license issued in 2001 > > *Following his selection by Air France, pilot training course at the > Amaury de la Grange > piloting school in Merville from October 2003 > A320 type rating issued in 2004 (within Air France). End of line training > and pilot in > command for first time in September 2004 > ATPL License issued on 3 August 2007 > Additional A340 type rating issued in February 2008 (with Air France). End > of LOFT and > pilot in command for first time in June 2008 > Additional A330 type rating and LOFT in December 2008 > > > > > Bolding mine. > > > Mike > > > ** > > *Borgelt Instruments** *- *design & manufacture of quality soaring > instrumentation since 1978 > *www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784** **overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784** **** **: int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, > visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ** > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5819 - Release Date: 05/12/13 > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >
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