It isn't that difficult and what to do has been known for at least 35 years. I mentioned in my vario talk in Canberra in 1980 that the horizontal gust problem could be solved with an inertial platform.

How to do it at low cost has always been the problem.

You need to figure out where the glider is pointing which is what the AHRS is for and then where it is *going* which the accelerometers in the AHRS will tell you after calibration. This gives you the velocity vector of the glider through the airmass it is flying in. GPS will give you the velocities in 3D (E-W, N-S, up-down) relative to the Earth. The difference is the 3D velocity of the airmass relative to the Earth. The horizontal part of this is the wind and the vertical part the airmass vertical motion - aka netto vario. This nice because the polar of the glider doesn't matter (apart from knowing the mass) and bugs have no effect. Neither does running the engine in a motorglider.

It is easy enough to build an artificial horizon with the low cost MEMS gyros, accelerometers and magnetometer packages. Many manufacturers are doing this for the homebuilt experimental market. i.e. Dynon , Grand Rapids etc. Dynon use some very nice gyros from SPP which was a collaboration between BAe and a Japanese company which are a cut above the really low cost gyros in things like the iPads. Even there they had to use the rate of change of airspeed to stabilise the pitch attitude. So what is a horizontal gust ? Yep, a rate of change of airspeed. In turbulence you can see the effects of the horizontal gusts on the Dynon on the displayed pitch attitude.

The problem is that a one degree pitch error on your AHRS at 120 KTAS (a not unusual TAS in a modern glider on a good day at altitude), by the one in 60 rule causes a 2 knot offset on the vario (this will change as the error wanders around) . The same error on the horizontal direction causes a 2 knot cross track error to the horizontal wind calculation, which is negligible. Hence my comment that the AHRS must be at least a factor of 10 better for the vario part than for the wind calculation. This accuracy is what is called for in what are known as "tactical grade" inertial platforms (there are far better ones). This error of one to two degrees is also negligible on an artificial horizon for keeping the shiny side up. The 0.1 degree or so accuracy for a good vario (only 0.2 knots error) must be maintained during dynamic manoeuvering. Tough to do with the "toy helicopter" gyros as the guy from BAe who wrote a review for Butterfly told me. He didn't believe it.

Our Dynamis sensor suite doesn't rely on the toy helicopter gyros.

More later.


Mike



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At 10:19 AM 27/05/2014, you wrote:
Hi Matthew,
I'll see if I can find a reference.Â
Seems like Sam Gisiger from Triadis (Altair/Vega fame) , who builds the Butterfly vario has cracked the nut many manufacturers have been trying to for years.
He's a clever guy.

Cheers
Mark



On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Matthew Scutter <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:

>The algorithms we use are based on years (literally) of research and part of a doctor thesis.
Was this published somewhere? It'd be interesting to read.

On 26 May 2014 10:12, "Mark Fisher" <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
A response from Butterfly's Marc Forderer via Swift Avionics.

Dear Mike and Bernard

Both of you wrote us the same forum post. We would prefer not getting involved into forums discussions. Her’s the (short-ish) answer.

We are using AHRS computed data to determine airflow around the aircraft in realtime. We do this using our inertial platform inside our sensor unit. The algorithms we use are based on years (literally) of research and part of a doctor thesis. The horizontal component is wind, the vertical is what we call "vertical air mass“ (VAM).

The advantage of this new computation method is that horizontal energy addition (in gusts) does not have influence on VAM readings.

We have a mixing method that allows the user to blend in normal pressure sensor (TEK) based „Netto Vario“ signals into the VAM readiings. If your installation is not perfect (= AHRS won’t work very accurately) or if you prefer not to use the new data but like your old fashioned netto better (with gust induced energy changes), then you can set it to 50% to mix it or even 0%.Â

The standard setup is 100%, that means 0 conventional and 100% AHRS based data. We are very confident in this new technology and its fun to use. We don’t use just some Accel/Gyro data and mix them in some way to tell people its cool. Actually most users fly with 100%.

Instantaneous wind makes a huge difference to your flying, even if not flying in mountainous regions where the advantages are obvious. The new wind indication helps you to locate thermals or convergences in flatland areas as it reacts to smallest local airflow/wind differences.

We have come a long way bringing this technology to the market and making it available to many pilots in different aircraft. We have had quite some troubles in the beginning, but this is not unusual. If you want to bring new technologies to the market , you must know about the pain you will go through initially.

We are thrilled by the possibilities the system offers and love flying with it, our customers do so, too.Â

Something you don’t have to write in the forum but its obvious: Old technology vario manufacturers love to tell people that it does not help you flying or does not work. Now that its proven to work (ask people flying with it) they love to tell people how difficult it is to install it. I must admit that installation requires good care and some hours worth of time. But fly with one, you will see that its worth it.Â

Cheers
Marc



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