Jarek, thank you for the report. I was the chairman of the sports committee when many of the competition and look out initiatives were Introduced. Would the Polish gliding community benefit from you sending them a copy of our competition rules and the Ops panel look out paper. It may be presumptuous of me to suggest such a thing but is could save their authorities re inventing the wheel.
Rob > On 4 Jun 2014, at 10:56 am, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, > > It was a second mid-air collision at this competition within 24 hours. The > day before of the tragic even, two pilots managed to get out their gliders > safely with one wreckage ending up in a lake and another one in the forest. > > The second accident, I believe it was pre-start (btw a lot of Polish > airfields are located very close to relatively large cities, so pre-satrt > flying above built up areas is unavoidable), resulted in death of one of the > pilots involved and a serious injury to a person on the ground. > > Some reports indicate that the parachute of the deceased pilot did not open, > questions being asked about parachutes repacking, and pilots training in > getting out of the glider and using a parachute etc... > > The pilots meeting and the organisers decided to cancel the competition and > to donate whatever left of the competition entry fees to the person injured > by the glider derbies. > > The accidents triggered a discussion in the Polish Gliding newsgroup > (http://forum.szybowce.com/szybowce/zawody-w-pile/15/). The discussion > covers such issues as mandatory usage of FLARM, quality look-out training, > acceptance for dangerous flying by some pilots, competition organisation that > minimises the risks, concept of a safety committee at the competition, pilots > fatigue, participating pilots recency, usage of oxygen etc. > > I have to say that observing the Polish gliding scene from afar, a lot of > issues that the Poles still seem to struggle with have been resolved and > implemented in Australia which I believe made our completions somewhat safer. > > Regards > Jarek > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <[email protected]> > > To: > <[email protected]> > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:11:21 +1000 > Subject: > Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. > > > Dear All, > I am reasonably certain that most of our airborne contact incidents occurred > in thermalling situations. > The assumption that we should avoid any activities (aerotowing, turpoints, > traversing or thermalling) over built up areas, is a nonsense. Perhaps ther > is a case for improving vigilance in these areas of concentrated activity, > but total aviodance is not going to solve that Lets get the thread back on > track and concentrate on realistic safety improvements please. > Regards > Glenn > > > > > > On 4/06/2014 9:50 AM, Nick Gilbert wrote: > At the first Leeton JoeyGlide we invented several turnpoints in areas where > there wasn't one handy - mainly for those 'funnel' type points that you use > for non-fixed tasks (ie. AAT) to get everyone coming from the same direction. > From memory I think they were named after supporters of the contest - Mander, > Shirley, Mason, etc. > > Cheers, > Nick. > > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Tim Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: >> "send not to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." That was >> written 500 years ago. He wasn't wrong. >> >> We have retained the tradition of having waypoints at geographic features >> for three reasons. One is sheer laziness - we already had locations of >> towns and silos. A second is psychological - we like to say in the bar that >> we went to Hillston, rather than "i went to a waypoint in the scrub west of >> Hillston". The third is more practical and does have a safety implication - >> if you are heading for a town you can see it out of the window, and don't >> have to keep referring to an instrument on the panel. None of these are >> showstoppers if change is seen as necessary. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim Shirley >> >> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare >> >> On 04/06/2014 09:03, Mike Timbrell wrote: >> You mean we should make changes because someone in Poland gets beaned by a >> piece of wreckage? >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew >> Scutter >> Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 8:15 AM >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. >> >> >> >> Turnpoints are usually over populated areas such as towns. >> >> Turnpoints are naturally an area of higher collision risk because of >> converging headings. >> >> Pilots tend to outland/get low near turnpoints because of tunnel vision or >> trying round the turnpoints efficiently in high wind. >> >> Perhaps turnpoints shouldn't be over populated areas/landmarks in >> competitions in this age of GPS navigation? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Derek Ruddock <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Lookout, lookout, lookout… >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher >> McDonnell >> Sent: Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. >> >> >> >> http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> [email protected] >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > Email sent using Optus Webmail > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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