From memory there have been about 26 fatalities as a result of spin training in the Puchaz. If you want to release the controls in a spin go ahead but please don't take anyone with you
Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Anthony Smith <[email protected]> Date: To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training Bergfalke IV decays into a spiral dive unless pro spin controls are held. If you hold pro spin controls, it still decays into a spiral dive after three or so rotations. Bocian used to stay in a spin until positive recovery controls were applied. Cath Conway told me way back when that anything Polish liked to spin. Anyone tried letting go of the controls in a spin with a Puchaz? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 7:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training Page (v) 7. Some spins continued indefinitely if controls were released during the developed spin. How many other gliders do this? I am pretty sure the Blanik self recovers from a spin but have never tested it! :-) PeterS On 27/12/2014 8:26 AM, Ulrich Stauss wrote: http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/john.cochrane/research/Data_and_Programs/CFI/AFFTC-TR-89-27%20Spin%20Test.pdf Ulrich From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 08:44 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training Bernard, good morning, i would lke o read that report too please? Ron On 27 December 2014 at 08:18, Bernhard <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Paul, good morning all You might be interested to know that the US Air Force has already been using the ASK21 for spin training over several decades. Therefore you might want to refer to a report by the US Air Force on the spin characteristics of the ASK 21. It was done by experts in the field and true professionals. When you read the report you will find that it was perhaps the most comprehensive study into the subject ever done. To save you digging around I have attached a copy for you! Kind regards to all Bernard On 26 Dec 2014, at 10:05 pm, Paul Bart <[email protected]> wrote: On 26 December 2014 at 19:33, Daryl Mackay <[email protected]> wrote: Suffice to say no instructor willingly uses the ASK21 for spin awareness training at Beverley. Hi Daryl Would you mind explaining why? This is a genuine inquiry as my club is about to take a delivery of one. Cheers Paul Cheers Paul _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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