'As highlighted in the British Gliding Association report, the retention of aft stick could be expected to be the involuntary reaction of the pilot in such a situation. '
Could be a major reason why people are dying. No one seems to be able to: measure this, train for it, or stop it happening. Hmmmmmmmm On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:04:29 +1100 "Derek Ruddock" <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From > http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o020 > 4.asp > > In 1990, a Puchacz spinning accident that resulted in two fatalities was > investigated by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB). It was > determined that the glider had inadvertently entered a spin at an altitude > that was too low to allow for recovery. In 2004, the United Kingdom Air > Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) investigated a Puchacz spinning > accident that resulted in two fatalities. The AAIB report1 > <http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o02 > 04.asp#N_1> noted that Puchacz gliders had been involved in five previous > spinning accidents in the United Kingdom, four of which resulted in > fatalities, and the majority of which were the result of inadvertent spins. > > The AAIB report made reference to a British Gliding Association (BGA) - > sponsored low-speed handling trial of the Puchacz that was conducted in 1994 > in response to three fatal Puchacz spinning accidents between 1990 and 1993. > The trial was flown by test pilots and instructors. The Puchacz spin > recovery was judged against the following standard spin-recovery technique, > as outlined in Joint Aviation Regulation (JAR) 22, Acceptable Means of > Compliance: > > 1. Check ailerons neutral. > 2. Apply rudder opposite spin. > 3. Ease control column forward until rotation ceases. > 4. Centralise rudder and ease out of ensuing dive. > > > > The Canadian equivalent to JAR 22 is the Canadian Aviation Regulations > (CARs), Part V - Airworthiness, Standards, Airworthiness Manual Chapter 522, > which covers airworthiness standards for gliders and powered gliders. > > The trial confirmed that the glider was compliant with JAR 22; however, it > considered two areas worthy of additional comment. The glider was considered > only marginally compliant in respect of stalls during turns, and it was > noted that avoidance of uncontrolled rolling and spinning off a turn was > reliant on pilot awareness and skill. The trial also noted that the height > loss in a spin was significantly greater than on other glider types and that > this was largely due to the steep attitude (70º nose down) of the developed > spin. > > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of stephenk > Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2014 1:06 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training > > > > Mike, > you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not the > Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex test pilots) > But I've never been able to find any other references to an accident like > this and the NTSB database only seems to show up 4 Puchacz accidents in > total > > > EventId > > InvestigationType > > AccidentNumber > > EventDate > > Location > > Country > > Latitude > > Longitude > > AirportCode > > AirportName > > InjurySeverity > > AircraftDamage > > AircraftCategory > > RegistrationNumber > > Make > > Model > > > 20040730X01116 > > Accident > > LAX04CA270 > > 07/18/2004 > > Lone Pine, CA > > United States > > 36.588333 > > -118.051944 > > O26 > > Lone Pine > > Non-Fatal > > Substantial > > N19SZ > > PDPS PZL-BIELSKO > > SZD-50-3 > > > 20040406X00422 > > Accident > > FTW04LA103 > > 04/04/2004 > > Cherry Valley, AR > > United States > > 35.370834 > > -90.750556 > > Non-Fatal > > Substantial > > N18SZ > > PDPS PZL-Bielsko > > SZD-50-3 > > > 20030605X00794 > > Accident > > LAX03LA165 > > 05/26/2003 > > Minden, NV > > United States > > 39.000278 > > -119.750833 > > MEV > > Minden-Tahoe Airport > > Non-Fatal > > Substantial > > N503HC > > PZL-Bielsko > > SZD-50-3 > > > 20001211X10620 > > Accident > > LAX98FA235 > > 07/17/1998 > > CALIFORNIA CITY, CA > > United States > > Fatal(2) > > Destroyed > > N7215L > > PZL-Bielsko > > SZD 50-3 > > > Do you have any other references? > > Regards > SWK > > > On 27/12/2014 10:22 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > Well one was two USAF test pilot school graduates from at least 3500 feet > AGL. > > > > Mike > > > > > On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:03 pm, Paul Bart <[email protected]> wrote: > > I wonder how many of them were off a winch from 1200 ft? > > Cheers > > Paul > > On Dec 27, 2014 8:29 PM, "druddock" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >From memory there have been about 26 fatalities as a result of spin training > in the Puchaz. > > If you want to release the controls in a spin go ahead but please don't take > anyone with you > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > [email protected] > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
