Patrick,

I stepped away from the Board of AusNOG this year. I am not in a position to 
say.

However I do see an agenda item where David is to speak aboy "ausnog futures..

Some details were exposed at AusNOG in Sydney. 

Cheers,
Terry
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> On 2 Aug 2022, at 6:59 pm, Patrick Ohearn <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Terry,
> 
> Do you have more information on the new Ausnog structure, membership 
> requirements etc;
> 
> There doesn't appear to have been a single email to the list about the 
> changes mentioned at the last AusNOG. The website also doesn't have any 
> information about the new structure, and still lists yourself on the board.
> 
> Regards,
> Patrick
> 
>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:45, Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> As i said, 
>> 
>> Ausnog is now a membership based CLG and true NFP (members are important) 
>> versus a PTY LTD with a Board holding the fiscal responsibility the risk and 
>> the outcome. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Terry
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>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:42 pm, Shane Short <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> If it’s always been a thing; what’s the catalyst for this sudden change in 
>>> rules?
>>> 
>>> I’ve had to tell *massive* multinational companies that no— you can’t be 
>>> the only type of vendor at the event and no we won’t change our logo from 
>>> red because that’s your competitions’s colour.
>>> 
>>> I’m confident that if this particular sponsor isn’t happy to play ball, 
>>> someone else will.
>>> 
>>> -Shane
>>> 
>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:38 pm, Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> my opinion only..
>>>> 
>>>> David is NOW giving you a view into the back room of the sausage factory 
>>>> as AusNOG becomes a true NFP with an established CLG. I think it has 
>>>> always been "a thing" 😉
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Terry
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>>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:24 pm, Shane Short <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Terry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having dealt extensively with multinational sponsors in the past, I 
>>>>> understand where this is coming from— however there’s always a line of 
>>>>> reason. I am however concerned that this hasn’t been an issue for a very 
>>>>> long time now and it’s now suddenly come out of the blue, with little 
>>>>> warning prior to the event and with a very very vague explanation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given that AusNOG has historically had no issue attracting sponsors, if a 
>>>>> sponsor is now suddenly unhappy with what’s been an established behaviour 
>>>>> since inception, maybe their spot can be offered to someone who’s more 
>>>>> understanding of the industry dynamic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Shane
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:13 pm, Terry Manderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Brendan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This will sound glib but having dealt with "sponsors" in & for other 
>>>>>> forums there is often an implicit ROI for those sponsors. Yes, while 
>>>>>> community is important, they are backed by corporate entities. Those 
>>>>>> entities want to know what is "in it for them". I've not as yet seen any 
>>>>>> of the entities say "oh, it's completely ok for my competitors to be 
>>>>>> able to share their merch at the event even though I paid up front to be 
>>>>>> there". 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you would like you, or your employer to pay 100% of the per attendee 
>>>>>> fee to attend + flights + accomodation please pass on that info to David 
>>>>>> as a likely future sponsor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Terry
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>>>>>>>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:56 pm, Brendan Halley <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Very disappointed to hear this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Has removing this sponsor and letting one of the many companies willing 
>>>>>>> to sponsor take their place? From what I understand there are quite a 
>>>>>>> few big names willing to take a sponsorship slot.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It shouldn't just be about what a sponsor wants when we're talking 
>>>>>>> about an event built around an industry that functions more like a 
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Brendan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 2:21 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Afternoon all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We've been contacted by one of the sponsors of our conference in April 
>>>>>>>> about companies who aren't sponsors handing out promotional material, 
>>>>>>>> in particular branded t-shirts etc.  While everyone likes getting a 
>>>>>>>> bag full of free merch, we ask that attendees respect the financial 
>>>>>>>> commitment that our sponsors make towards funding the conference.  
>>>>>>>> They cover almost half the cost and in return they get the right to 
>>>>>>>> promote themselves to all of you who attend.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you are not a sponsor please do not distribute swag to delegates at 
>>>>>>>> the conference.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David, on behalf of the Board
>>>>>>>> ...
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