Hi Alice, I have reviewed the document and the changes made by the RFC Editor. All of the changes are fine – the RFC Editor has done the usual thorough job of editing, and your attention to the details is greatly appreciated.
Please change my affiliation from “Dell EMC” to “Dell” and remove the physical/postal mail address (“176 South Street Hopkinton, MA, 01748 United States of America”). With those changes, I approve the resulting document. Thanks, --David From: Greg Mirsky <gregimir...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2025 4:59 PM To: Gunter van de Velde (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com> Cc: Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org>; sbout...@ciena.com; Black, David <david.bl...@dell.com>; santosh.pallaga...@gmail.com; nvo3-...@ietf.org; nvo3-cha...@ietf.org; Matthew Bocci (Nokia) <matthew.bo...@nokia.com>; auth48archive@rfc-ed <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>; RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org> Subject: Re: [AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9772 <draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-oam-16> for your review [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hi Alice, to get on the record, I approve it. Regards, Greg On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 3:20 AM Gunter van de Velde (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com<mailto:gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>> wrote: Approved. Looks good to me Alice, G/ -----Original Message----- From: Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org<mailto:aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org>> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2025 8:18 PM To: Greg Mirsky <gregimir...@gmail.com<mailto:gregimir...@gmail.com>>; Gunter van de Velde (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com<mailto:gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>> Cc: sbout...@ciena.com<mailto:sbout...@ciena.com>; david.bl...@dell.com<mailto:david.bl...@dell.com>; santosh.pallaga...@gmail.com<mailto:santosh.pallaga...@gmail.com>; nvo3-...@ietf.org<mailto:nvo3-...@ietf.org>; nvo3-cha...@ietf.org<mailto:nvo3-cha...@ietf.org>; Matthew Bocci (Nokia) <matthew.bo...@nokia.com<mailto:matthew.bo...@nokia.com>>; auth48archive@rfc-ed <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org<mailto:auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>>; RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org<mailto:rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org>> Subject: [AD] Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9772 <draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-oam-16> for your review CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL nok.it/ext [nok.it]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/nok.it/ext__;!!LpKI!iPXAIcqKHo5KHtkKqSPZ5fWcgm7dk-tUdS9LkItTM5Wol0c25zNXtDzvvMh8wOo5cWtpXP85-6Sxf19FecsRzA$> for additional information. Greg and Gunter (as AD)*, * Gunter, please review and let us know if you approve this change in Section 2.1 (which is also shown in the diff files below). This is per Greg's reply to #4 below. Original: Requirement 2: The encapsulation of OAM control messages and data packets in the underlay network MUST be indistinguishable from each other from the underlay network IP forwarding point of view. Current: Requirement 2: The encapsulation of OAM control messages and data packets in the underlay network MUST be indistinguishable. Greg, Thank you for your reply. Re: #5, you wrote: > > Should a reference to draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd be added? > GIM>> Thank you for pointing it out to me. Yes, I provide one option below. Should it be informative or normative? Also, what short name is good for the reference? It has been added as informative and [P2MP-BFD] for now; we will update it per your reply. (That document is currently in RFC-EDITOR state.) Please let us know any further changes. Original: For IPv6, the address MUST be selected from the Dummy IPv6 Prefix for IPv6 *Dummy-IPv6-Prefix*. Current: For IPv6, the address MUST be selected from the Dummy IPv6 Prefix 100:0:0:1::/64 [P2MP-BFD]. 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This page shows the AUTH48 status of your document: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9772 [rfc-editor.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9772__;!!LpKI!iPXAIcqKHo5KHtkKqSPZ5fWcgm7dk-tUdS9LkItTM5Wol0c25zNXtDzvvMh8wOo5cWtpXP85-6Sxf19HZvfqDQ$> Thank you. RFC Editor/ar > On Apr 30, 2025, at 2:09 PM, Greg Mirsky > <gregimir...@gmail.com<mailto:gregimir...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Alice, > thank you for your kind reminder. Please find my answers below tagged GIM>>. > > Regards, > Greg > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 11:12 AM Alice Russo > <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org<mailto:aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org>> wrote: > Authors, > > This is a reminder that we await word from you regarding the questions below > and this document's readiness for publication as an RFC. 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Abbreviations have been expanded per Section 3.6 > > of RFC 7322 ("RFC Style Guide"). > > > > Original: > > Active OAM for use in Geneve > > > > Current: > > Active Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) for Use in > > Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation (Geneve) > > --> > > > > > > 2) <!--[rfced] Please clarify; is it possible that each endpoint > > (rather than the two endpoints together) is an interface of an NVE? > > If so, we suggest updating this sentence as follows. > > > > Original: > > Active OAM messages in a > > Geneve overlay network are exchanged between two Geneve tunnel > > endpoints, which may be the tenant-facing interface of the Network > > Virtualization Edge (NVE) or another device acting as a Geneve tunnel > > endpoint. > > > > Perhaps: > > Active OAM messages in a > > Geneve overlay network are exchanged between two Geneve tunnel > > endpoints; each endpoint may be the tenant-facing interface of the Network > > Virtualization Edge (NVE) or another device acting as a Geneve tunnel > > endpoint. > GIM>> Thank you for the proposed text, it is clearer. I agree with the > proposed update. > > --> > > > > > > 3) <!--[rfced] Should "follow the same overlay and transport path" > > be plural "paths"? > > > > Original: > > Specifically, > > the OAM test packets MUST be in-band with the monitored traffic > > and follow the same overlay and transport path as packets carrying > > data payloads in the forward direction, i.e., from the ingress > > toward the egress endpoint(s) of the OAM test. > > > > Perhaps: > > Specifically, > > the OAM test packets MUST be in-band with the monitored traffic > > and follow the same overlay and transport paths as packets carrying > > data payloads in the forward direction, i.e., from the ingress > > toward the egress endpoint(s) of the OAM test. > GIM>> Indeed, plural "paths" is correct here. I agree with the update. > > --> > > > > > > 4) <!--[rfced] How may "from the underlay network IP forwarding > > point of view" be rephrased for clarity? > > > > Original: > > Requirement 2: The encapsulation of OAM control messages and data > > packets in the underlay network MUST be indistinguishable from > > each other from the underlay network IP forwarding point of view. > > > > Perhaps: > > Requirement 2: The encapsulation of OAM control messages and data > > packets in the underlay network MUST be indistinguishable from > > each other from the point of view of the forwarding in the IP > > underlay network. > GIM>> Perhaps removing "from the point of view" altogether as follows: > Requirement 2: The encapsulation of OAM control messages and data packets in > the IP underlay network MUST be indistinguishable. > > > > (We note the phrase "the forwarding in the IP underlay network" is > > used in Section 2.2.) > > --> > > > > > > 5) <!--[rfced] Regarding Section 2.3, the IANA actions for > > draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd are not yet complete, i.e., the > > Dummy-IPv6-Prefix requested by draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd has not yet > > been assigned, so the text of this document has not been updated. > > > > Should a reference to draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd be added? > GIM>> Thank you for pointing it out to me. Yes, I provide one option below. > > > > We note that > > https://www.iana.org/performance/ietf-draft-status > > [iana.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.iana.org/performance/ietf-draft-status__;!!LpKI!iPXAIcqKHo5KHtkKqSPZ5fWcgm7dk-tUdS9LkItTM5Wol0c25zNXtDzvvMh8wOo5cWtpXP85-6Sxf18J-FYMKQ$> > > lists draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd as waiting on authors since 22 Feb 2025. > GIM>> I answered the outstanding question and removed that obstacle, so > things are in motion. > > > > Unless the text is changed to remove this prefix, this document will > > remain in AUTH48 until the Dummy-IPv6-Prefix has been assigned. > > > > ORIGINAL: > > Inner IP header: > > > > Destination IP: The IP address MUST be set to the loopback address > > 127.0.0.1/32 > > [127.0.0.1]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/127.0.0.1/32__;!!LpKI!iPXAIcqKHo5KHtkKqSPZ5fWcgm7dk-tUdS9LkItTM5Wol0c25zNXtDzvvMh8wOo5cWtpXP85-6Sxf1_xmDlKcQ$> > > for IPv4 version. For IPv6, the address MUST be > > selected from the Dummy IPv6 Prefix for IPv6 *Dummy-IPv6-Prefix*. > > A source-only IPv6 dummy address is used as the destination to > > generate an exception and a reply message to the request message > > received. > > > > [Note to RFC Editor: Please replace *Dummy-IPv6-Prefix* with the > > actual value allocated (requested in draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd) in > > IANA IPv6 Special-Purpose Address Registry.] > GIM>> With the reference: > Destination IP: The IP address MUST be set to the loopback address > 127.0.0.1/32 > [127.0.0.1]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/127.0.0.1/32__;!!LpKI!iPXAIcqKHo5KHtkKqSPZ5fWcgm7dk-tUdS9LkItTM5Wol0c25zNXtDzvvMh8wOo5cWtpXP85-6Sxf1_xmDlKcQ$> > for IPv4 version. For IPv6, the address MUST be > selected from the Dummy IPv6 Prefix for IPv6 *Dummy-IPv6-Prefix* > [I-D.ietf-mpls-p2mp-bfd]. > A source-only IPv6 dummy address is used as the destination to > generate an exception and a reply message to the request message > received. > > --> > > > > > > 6) <!--[rfced] Please consider whether "dummy" would be more clear > > as "example" or "placeholder" or similar. > > > > Original: the Dummy IPv6 Prefix > GIM>> I suggest we leave this as-is; that is the name of the prefix in the > IANA registry. > > Original: A source-only IPv6 dummy address > GIM>> Perhaps we can drop "dummy" in this case: > A source-only IPv6 address is used as the destination to > generate an exception and a reply message to the request message > received. > > --> > > > > > > 7) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of > > the online Style Guide > > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language > > [rfc-editor.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/*inclusive_language__;Iw!!LpKI!iPXAIcqKHo5KHtkKqSPZ5fWcgm7dk-tUdS9LkItTM5Wol0c25zNXtDzvvMh8wOo5cWtpXP85-6Sxf1_r0QemyQ$>> > > and let us know if any changes are needed. 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