Hi RFC Editor, 

Thank you for your work on this document. 

> On Jul 1, 2025, at 2:21 AM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote:
> 
> Authors,
> 
> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary) 
> the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
> 
> 1) <!--[rfced] BGP-LS and SPF
> 
> a) Would you like to update the title of the document as shown below 
> or otherwise, to more closely match how "BGP-LS" and "SPF"
> are handled in the title of RFC-to-be 9815?
> 
> Original:
>   Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State Shortest Path 
>   Routing (BGP-SPF) in Data Centers
> 
> Option A:
>   Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State 
>   Shortest Path First (SPF) Routing in Data Centers

Use option A consistent with the base document - "BGP Link-State Shortest Path 
First (SPF) Routing" in RFC 9815. 



> 
> Option B:
>   Usage and Applicability of BGP - Link State (BGP-LS) 
>   Shortest Path First (SPF) Routing in Data Centers
> 
> b) To match how the companion document expands "BGP-LS" and
> "SPF", may we update the Abstract and Introduction as shown
> below for consistency?
> 
> Original (Abstract):
>   This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP Link-State
>   Shortest Path First (BGP-SPF) extensions in data center networks
>   utilizing Clos or Fat-Tree topologies.
> 
> Perhaps:
>   This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP - Link State
>   (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First (SPF) extensions in data center networks
>   utilizing Clos or Fat Tree topologies.


Use;

  This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP Link State
  (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First (SPF) extensions in data center networks
  utilizing Clos or Fat Tree topologies.



> 
> ...
> Original (Introduction): 
>   This document complements [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf] by discussing the
>   applicability of the BGP-SPF technology in a simple and fairly common
>   deployment scenario, which is described in Section 3.
> 
> Perhaps:
>   This document complements [RFC9815] by discussing the applicability of
>   the BGP - Link State (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First (SPF) technology in 
>   a simple and fairly common deployment scenario, which is described in 
>   Section 3.
 
  Use:

 This document complements [RFC9815] by discussing the applicability of
  the BGP Link State (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First (SPF) technology in 
  a simple and fairly common deployment scenario, which is described in 
  Section 3.
  




> 
> c) Throughout the text, we note "BGP-SPF" vs. "BGP SPF". "BGP SPF" is
> used both in the companion document and the IANA registry at
> <https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-spf/>. Would you like to update
> each instance of "BGP-SPF" to "BGP SPF" for consistency? See one
> example below:
> 
> Original:
>   The document is intended to provide simplified guidance 
>   for the deployment of BGP-SPF extensions.
> 
> Perhaps:
>   The document is intended to provide simplified guidance 
>   for the deployment of BGP SPF extensions.

Use "BGP SPF" then. 


> -->
> 
> 
> 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in
> the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->






> 
> 
> 3) <!-- [rfced] We updated "RFC 5580" to "RFC 5880" in the following
> sentence, and elsewhere in the document where "BFD" is
> referenced, as "BFD" is defined in RFC 5880 and not mentioned
> in RFC 5580. If this is not correct, please let us know.
> 
> Original:
>   This document also assumes knowledge of data center routing
>   protocols such as BGP [RFC4271], BGP-SPF [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf], OSPF
>   [RFC2328] [RFC5340], as well as data center Operations,
>   Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) protocols like Link Layer
>   Discovery Protocol (LLDP) [RFC4957] and Bi- Directional Forwarding
>   Detection (BFD) [RFC5580].
> 
> Current:
>   This document also assumes knowledge of data center routing
>   protocols such as BGP [RFC4271], BGP-SPF [RFC9815], and OSPF
>   [RFC2328] [RFC5340] as well as data center Operations,
>   Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) protocols like the Link Layer
>   Discovery Protocol (LLDP) [RFC4957] and Bidirectional Forwarding
>   Detection (BFD) [RFC5580].
> -->

Sure - good catch. 


> 
> 
> 4) <!--[rfced] "SPF" is not mentioned in RFC 9552. Should a different RFC be
> referenced or was "OSPF" perhaps intended?
> 
> Original:
>   The BGP-SPF modifications allow BGP to overcome these limitations.
>   Furthermore, using the BGP-LS Network Layer Reachability Information
>   (NLRI) format allows the BGP-SPF data to be advertised for nodes,
>   links, and prefixes in the BGP routing domain and used for Short-
>   Path-First (SPF) computations [RFC9552].
> -->    

 Use:
 
  The BGP-SPF modifications allow BGP to overcome these limitations.
  Furthermore, using the BGP-LS Network Layer Reachability Information
  (NLRI) format [RFC9552] allows the BGP-SPF data to be advertised for nodes,
  links, and prefixes in the BGP routing domain and used for Short-
  Path-First (SPF) computations.



> 
> 
> 5) <!-- [rfced] We see that the approved I-D (v22) contains one instance
> of a keyword ("MUST" in Section 5.5.1). Is this intentional? If
> so, we will add the typical paragraph from BCP 14 regarding use
> of keywords after the Introduction and add RFCs 2119 and 8174 to
> the Normative References section. Otherwise, we will update
> "MUST" to "must".
> 
> Original:
>   The Link Local/Remote Identifiers of the peering interfaces MUST be
>   used in the link NLRI as described in section 5.2.2 of
>   [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf].
> -->

Please change to "must" for BCP. 


> 
> 
> 6) <!--[rfced] Is "BGP-LS SPF Topology" correct or should it perhaps be
> "BGP-LS-SPF Topology" for consistency?
> 
> Original:
>   5.5.2  BGP-LS SPF Topology Visibility for Management
> 
> Perhaps:
>   5.5.2  BGP-LS-SPF Topology Visibility for Management
> -->

Ok. 


> 
> 
> 7) <!--[rfced] Would repeating "Non" make this section title more clear?
> The meaning seems to be applicability to topologies that are 
> neither Clos nor Fat Tree topologies.
> 
> Original:
> 6.  Non-CLOS/FAT Tree Topology Applicability
> 
> Current:
> 6.  Non-Clos / Fat Tree Topology Applicability
> 
> Perhaps:
> 6.  Non-Clos / Non-Fat-Tree Topology Applicability
> -->

Leave as: 
   6.  Non-Clos / Fat Tree Topology Applicability


> 
> 
> 8) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated the following terms for
> consistency. Please let us know of any objections.
> 
>  BGP-LS Node NLRI Attribute SPF Status TLV ->
>    BGP-LS-SPF Node NLRI Attribute SPF Status TLV (per the companion doc)
>  BGP-LS SPF SAFI -> BGP-LS-SPF SAFI (per the companion doc)
>  Clos Topologies -> Clos topologies
>  Fat-Tree -> Fat Tree (per use in the RFC Series)
>  link NLRI -> Link NLRI (per RFC 9552)
>  Route Controllers -> route controllers (per companion document)
>  Route Reflectors -> route reflectors (per companion document)
>  Spine Nodes -> spine nodes
>  Unicast -> unicast
> -->

Ok. 
> 
> 
> 9) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We have updated the expansions for the following
> abbreviations to reflect the form on the right for consistency with 
> the companion document and/or RFC Series.
> 
> Bi-Directional Forwarding Detection (BFD) -> 
>    Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD)


Ok. 

> 
> Equal-Cost Multi-Path (ECMP) -> Equal-Cost Multipath (ECMP)

Ok. 

> 
> Top-Of-Rack (ToR) -> Top-of-Rack (ToR)

Ok. 


> -->
> 
> 
> 10) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the online 
> Style Guide <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
> and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature typically
> result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.
> 
> For example, please consider whether the following should be updated: 
> - blackhole

Replace "blackhole" with "routes to unreachable destinations". 


> 
> In addition, please consider whether "traditional" should be updated
> for clarity.  While the NIST website
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20250214092458/https://www.nist.gov/
> nist-research-library/nist-technical-series-publications-author-instructions#table1>
> indicates that this term is potentially biased, it is also ambiguous.
> "Tradition" is a subjective term, as it is not the same for everyone.
> -->

"usual BGP underlays" and "classical BGP routing". 

Please update my contact information with a new affiliation:

    Acee Lindem
    Arrcus, Inc. 
    301 Midenhall Way
    Cary, NC 27513
    United States of America
    Email: acee.i...@gmail.com

Thanks,
Acee

> 
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> RFC9816 (draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-22)
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> Title            : Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State Shortest Path 
> Routing (BGP-SPF) in Data Centers
> Author(s)        : K. Patel, A. Lindem, S. Zandi, G. Dawra, J. Dong
> WG Chair(s)      : Jie Dong, Acee Lindem
> Area Director(s) : Jim Guichard, Ketan Talaulikar, Gunter Van de Velde

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