Good catch Jie... Specifically, that would be:
*** rfc9816.orig.txt Sat Jul 12 17:29:45 2025 --- rfc9816.bfd.txt Mon Jul 14 06:46:43 2025 *************** *** 201,207 **** Alternatively, as each and every router in the BGP-SPF domain will have a complete view of the topology, the operator can also choose to configure BGP sessions in the hop-by-hop peering model described in ! [RFC7938] along with BFD [RFC5580]. In doing so, while the hop-by- hop peering model lacks the inherent benefits of the controller-based model, BGP updates need not be serialized by the BGP best-path algorithm in either of these models. This helps overall network --- 201,207 ---- Alternatively, as each and every router in the BGP-SPF domain will have a complete view of the topology, the operator can also choose to configure BGP sessions in the hop-by-hop peering model described in ! [RFC7938] along with BFD [RFC5880]. In doing so, while the hop-by- hop peering model lacks the inherent benefits of the controller-based model, BGP updates need not be serialized by the BGP best-path algorithm in either of these models. This helps overall network *************** *** 251,257 **** 5.2.1. Sparse Peering Model ! Alternately, BFD [RFC5580] can be used to swiftly determine the availability of links, and the BGP peering model can be significantly sparser than the data center fabric. BGP-SPF sessions only need to be established with enough peers to provide a biconnected graph. If --- 251,257 ---- 5.2.1. Sparse Peering Model ! Alternately, BFD [RFC5880] can be used to swiftly determine the availability of links, and the BGP peering model can be significantly sparser than the data center fabric. BGP-SPF sessions only need to be established with enough peers to provide a biconnected graph. If *************** *** 534,544 **** [RFC5340] Coltun, R., Ferguson, D., Moy, J., and A. Lindem, "OSPF for IPv6", RFC 5340, DOI 10.17487/RFC5340, July 2008, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5340>. - - [RFC5580] Tschofenig, H., Ed., Adrangi, F., Jones, M., Lior, A., and - B. Aboba, "Carrying Location Objects in RADIUS and - Diameter", RFC 5580, DOI 10.17487/RFC5580, August 2009, - <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5580>. [RFC5880] Katz, D. and D. Ward, "Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD)", RFC 5880, DOI 10.17487/RFC5880, June 2010, --- 534,539 ---- Thanks, Acee > On Jul 13, 2025, at 10:55 PM, Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.d...@huawei.com> wrote: > > Hi Alice, > > Thanks a lot for your effort on this document. I've reviewed this update and > only find one nit: > > In some places of the document, the reference to BFD points to RFC 5580 by > mistake, it should be updated to RFC 5880. And in the informative references, > the reference to RFC5580 can be removed. > > Other than this nit, this version is good to me and I approve its > publication. > > Best regards, > Jie > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org> >> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2025 5:37 AM >> To: Acee Lindem <acee.i...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Ketan Talaulikar <ketant.i...@gmail.com>; Keyur Patel >> <ke...@arrcus.com>; gdawra.i...@gmail.com; Shawn Zandi >> <shaf...@shafagh.com>; Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.d...@huawei.com>; >> lsvr-...@ietf.org; lsvr-cha...@ietf.org; james.n.guichard >> <james.n.guich...@futurewei.com>; auth48archive >> <auth48archive@rfc-editor.org>; RFC Editor <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org> >> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9816 <draft-ietf-lsvr-applicability-22> for >> your review >> >> Acee, >> >> Thank you for your reply; the files have been updated accordingly. Please >> refresh the same URLs as below >> (https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-lastrfcdiff.html shows only the >> most recent changes). >> >> RFC Editor/ar >> >>> On Jul 11, 2025, at 1:06 PM, Acee Lindem <acee.i...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alice, >>> >>>> On Jul 11, 2025, at 3:48 PM, Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Acee, >>>> >>>> We have updated the authors' contact information as requested. The >> revised files are here (please refresh): >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.html >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.txt >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.pdf >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.xml >>>> >>>> This diff file shows all changes from the approved I-D: >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-diff.html >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-rfcdiff.html (side by >>>> side) >>>> >>>> This diff file shows the changes made during AUTH48 thus far: >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-auth48diff.html >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-auth48rfcdiff.html (side >>>> by side) >>>> >>>> This diff file shows only the changes since the last posted version: >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-lastrfcdiff.html >>>> >>>> As mentioned in a separate mail re: 9815, we suggest considering this >> update to the title (remove hyphen and add acronym). >>>> >>>> -- 9816 >>>> Current: Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State Shortest Path >>>> First (SPF) Routing in Data Centers >>>> Perhaps: Usage and Applicability of BGP Link State (BGP-LS) Shortest >>>> Path First (SPF) Routing in Data Centers >>> >>> Sure, >>> >>> Thanks >>> Acee >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We will wait to hear from you again and from your coauthors before >>>> continuing the publication process. This page shows the AUTH48 status >>>> of your document: >>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9816 >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> RFC Editor/ar >>>> >>>>> On Jul 10, 2025, at 4:17 AM, Acee Lindem <acee.i...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Alice, >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2025, at 3:19 PM, Alice Russo <aru...@staff.rfc-editor.org> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Acee, Ketan (as AD), >>>>>> >>>>>> *AD - Please review this change and let us know if you approve (changed >> from "MUST" to "must" per Acee's reply to #5). >>>>>> >>>>>> Original: >>>>>> The Link Local/Remote Identifiers of the peering interfaces MUST be >>>>>> used in the link NLRI as described in section 5.2.2 of >>>>>> [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Current: >>>>>> The Link Local/Remote Identifiers of the peering interfaces must be >>>>>> used in the link NLRI as described in Section 5.2.2 of [RFC9815]. >>>>> >>>>> Sure. This is an "Informational" status document. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Acee, >>>>>> Thank you for your reply. My apologies for the delay. Please see the >> follow-ups below. The revised files are here (please refresh): >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.html >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.txt >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.pdf >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816.xml >>>>>> >>>>>> This diff file shows all changes from the approved I-D: >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-diff.html >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-rfcdiff.html (side by >>>>>> side) >>>>>> >>>>>> This diff file shows the changes made during AUTH48 thus far: >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-auth48diff.html >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9816-auth48rfcdiff.html (side >>>>>> by side) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Re: #4, we updated to the text you provided except for expanding "SPF", >> as it has already been expanded within the document and is used earlier >> within the same sentence without expansion. If you prefer otherwise, please >> let us know. >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI, in Section 2, this has been updated as follows; please let us know >>>>>> if >> you prefer otherwise. >>>>>> Old: BGP-SPF [RFC9815] >>>>>> New: BGP-LS SPF [RFC9815] >>>>> >>>>> Sure - just not BGP - .... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We will wait to hear from you again and from your coauthors before >>>>>> continuing the publication process. This page shows the AUTH48 >>>>>> status of your document: >>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9816 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> RFC Editor/ar >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2025, at 4:58 PM, Acee Lindem <acee.i...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi RFC Editor, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your work on this document. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2025, at 2:21 AM, rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Authors, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as >> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) <!--[rfced] BGP-LS and SPF >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a) Would you like to update the title of the document as shown >>>>>>>> below or otherwise, to more closely match how "BGP-LS" and "SPF" >>>>>>>> are handled in the title of RFC-to-be 9815? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State Shortest Path Routing >>>>>>>> (BGP-SPF) in Data Centers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option A: >>>>>>>> Usage and Applicability of BGP Link-State Shortest Path First >>>>>>>> (SPF) Routing in Data Centers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use option A consistent with the base document - "BGP Link-State >> Shortest Path First (SPF) Routing" in RFC 9815. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Option B: >>>>>>>> Usage and Applicability of BGP - Link State (BGP-LS) Shortest >>>>>>>> Path First (SPF) Routing in Data Centers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b) To match how the companion document expands "BGP-LS" and >>>>>>>> "SPF", may we update the Abstract and Introduction as shown below >>>>>>>> for consistency? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original (Abstract): >>>>>>>> This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP >>>>>>>> Link-State Shortest Path First (BGP-SPF) extensions in data >>>>>>>> center networks utilizing Clos or Fat-Tree topologies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps: >>>>>>>> This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP - Link >>>>>>>> State >>>>>>>> (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First (SPF) extensions in data center >>>>>>>> networks utilizing Clos or Fat Tree topologies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This document discusses the usage and applicability of BGP Link >>>>>>> State >>>>>>> (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First (SPF) extensions in data center >>>>>>> networks utilizing Clos or Fat Tree topologies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> Original (Introduction): >>>>>>>> This document complements [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf] by discussing >>>>>>>> the applicability of the BGP-SPF technology in a simple and >>>>>>>> fairly common deployment scenario, which is described in Section 3. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps: >>>>>>>> This document complements [RFC9815] by discussing the >>>>>>>> applicability of the BGP - Link State (BGP-LS) Shortest Path >>>>>>>> First (SPF) technology in a simple and fairly common deployment >>>>>>>> scenario, which is described in Section 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This document complements [RFC9815] by discussing the >>>>>>> applicability of the BGP Link State (BGP-LS) Shortest Path First >>>>>>> (SPF) technology in a simple and fairly common deployment >>>>>>> scenario, which is described in Section 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> c) Throughout the text, we note "BGP-SPF" vs. "BGP SPF". "BGP >>>>>>>> SPF" is used both in the companion document and the IANA registry >>>>>>>> at <https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-spf/>. Would you like to >>>>>>>> update each instance of "BGP-SPF" to "BGP SPF" for consistency? >>>>>>>> See one example below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> The document is intended to provide simplified guidance for the >>>>>>>> deployment of BGP-SPF extensions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps: >>>>>>>> The document is intended to provide simplified guidance for the >>>>>>>> deployment of BGP SPF extensions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use "BGP SPF" then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that >>>>>>>> appear in the title) for use on >>>>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) <!-- [rfced] We updated "RFC 5580" to "RFC 5880" in the >>>>>>>> following sentence, and elsewhere in the document where "BFD" is >>>>>>>> referenced, as "BFD" is defined in RFC 5880 and not mentioned in >>>>>>>> RFC 5580. If this is not correct, please let us know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> This document also assumes knowledge of data center routing >>>>>>>> protocols such as BGP [RFC4271], BGP-SPF [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf], >>>>>>>> OSPF [RFC2328] [RFC5340], as well as data center Operations, >>>>>>>> Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) protocols like Link Layer >>>>>>>> Discovery Protocol (LLDP) [RFC4957] and Bi- Directional >>>>>>>> Forwarding Detection (BFD) [RFC5580]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Current: >>>>>>>> This document also assumes knowledge of data center routing >>>>>>>> protocols such as BGP [RFC4271], BGP-SPF [RFC9815], and OSPF >>>>>>>> [RFC2328] [RFC5340] as well as data center Operations, >>>>>>>> Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) protocols like the Link >>>>>>>> Layer Discovery Protocol (LLDP) [RFC4957] and Bidirectional >>>>>>>> Forwarding Detection (BFD) [RFC5580]. >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure - good catch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4) <!--[rfced] "SPF" is not mentioned in RFC 9552. Should a >>>>>>>> different RFC be referenced or was "OSPF" perhaps intended? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> The BGP-SPF modifications allow BGP to overcome these limitations. >>>>>>>> Furthermore, using the BGP-LS Network Layer Reachability >>>>>>>> Information >>>>>>>> (NLRI) format allows the BGP-SPF data to be advertised for nodes, >>>>>>>> links, and prefixes in the BGP routing domain and used for Short- >>>>>>>> Path-First (SPF) computations [RFC9552]. >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Use: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The BGP-SPF modifications allow BGP to overcome these limitations. >>>>>>> Furthermore, using the BGP-LS Network Layer Reachability >>>>>>> Information >>>>>>> (NLRI) format [RFC9552] allows the BGP-SPF data to be advertised >>>>>>> for nodes, links, and prefixes in the BGP routing domain and used >>>>>>> for Short- Path-First (SPF) computations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5) <!-- [rfced] We see that the approved I-D (v22) contains one >>>>>>>> instance of a keyword ("MUST" in Section 5.5.1). Is this >>>>>>>> intentional? If so, we will add the typical paragraph from BCP 14 >>>>>>>> regarding use of keywords after the Introduction and add RFCs >>>>>>>> 2119 and 8174 to the Normative References section. Otherwise, we >>>>>>>> will update "MUST" to "must". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> The Link Local/Remote Identifiers of the peering interfaces MUST >>>>>>>> be used in the link NLRI as described in section 5.2.2 of >>>>>>>> [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf]. >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please change to "must" for BCP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 6) <!--[rfced] Is "BGP-LS SPF Topology" correct or should it >>>>>>>> perhaps be "BGP-LS-SPF Topology" for consistency? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> 5.5.2 BGP-LS SPF Topology Visibility for Management >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps: >>>>>>>> 5.5.2 BGP-LS-SPF Topology Visibility for Management >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 7) <!--[rfced] Would repeating "Non" make this section title more >> clear? >>>>>>>> The meaning seems to be applicability to topologies that are >>>>>>>> neither Clos nor Fat Tree topologies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original: >>>>>>>> 6. Non-CLOS/FAT Tree Topology Applicability >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Current: >>>>>>>> 6. Non-Clos / Fat Tree Topology Applicability >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps: >>>>>>>> 6. Non-Clos / Non-Fat-Tree Topology Applicability >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leave as: >>>>>>> 6. Non-Clos / Fat Tree Topology Applicability >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 8) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated the following terms for >>>>>>>> consistency. Please let us know of any objections. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BGP-LS Node NLRI Attribute SPF Status TLV -> BGP-LS-SPF Node NLRI >>>>>>>> Attribute SPF Status TLV (per the companion doc) BGP-LS SPF SAFI >>>>>>>> -> BGP-LS-SPF SAFI (per the companion doc) Clos Topologies -> >>>>>>>> Clos topologies Fat-Tree -> Fat Tree (per use in the RFC Series) >>>>>>>> link NLRI -> Link NLRI (per RFC 9552) Route Controllers -> route >>>>>>>> controllers (per companion document) Route Reflectors -> route >>>>>>>> reflectors (per companion document) Spine Nodes -> spine nodes >>>>>>>> Unicast -> unicast >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 9) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We have updated the expansions for the following >>>>>>>> abbreviations to reflect the form on the right for consistency with >>>>>>>> the companion document and/or RFC Series. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bi-Directional Forwarding Detection (BFD) -> >>>>>>>> Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Equal-Cost Multi-Path (ECMP) -> Equal-Cost Multipath (ECMP) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Top-Of-Rack (ToR) -> Top-of-Rack (ToR) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 10) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the >> online >>>>>>>> Style Guide >> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language> >>>>>>>> and let us know if any changes are needed. 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