Hi Sarah,

The reason is that LMS is a many-time signature method.  The one before
it:  LM-OTS is a one-time signature method.

Thank you and Regards,
Quynh.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 12:46 PM Sarah Tarrant <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Scott and Quynh,
>
> Regarding that update:
>
> Current:
>    4. Additional LMS Parameter Sets
>
>    The table below defines the Leighton-Micali (LMS) parameters that use
>    the SHA-256/192, SHAKE256/256, and SHAKE256/192 hash functions:
>
> Requested:
>    4. Additional LMS Parameter Sets
>
>    The table below defines several many-time signature parameters called
>    Leighton-Micali Signature (LMS) parameters, using the SHA-256/192,
>    SHAKE256/256, and SHAKE256/192 hash functions:
>
> I'm struggling with "many-time". Perhaps this could be updated to "common"?
>
> Suggested:
>    4. Additional LMS Parameter Sets
>
>    The table below defines several common signature parameters called
>    Leighton-Micali Signature (LMS) parameters, using the SHA-256/192,
>    SHAKE256/256, and SHAKE256/192 hash functions:
>
> Or perhaps there is a different word you would like to suggest?
>
> Thank you,
> Sarah Tarrant
> RFC Production Center
>
> > On Sep 30, 2025, at 10:44 AM, Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Quynh asked for one minor change (new .xml file attached)
> >
> > With that, it has my approvalFrom: Sarah Tarrant <
> [email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2025 3:19 PM
> > To: Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <[email protected]>
> > Cc: Quynh Dang <[email protected]>; [email protected] <
> [email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9858
> <draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets-19> for your review
> >  Hi Scott,
> >
> > Looks great! I've posted the updated files.
> >
> > We will await approvals from each author prior to moving forward in the
> publication process:
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9858
> >
> > The updated files have been posted here (please refresh):
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9858.txt
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9858.pdf
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9858.html
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9858.xml
> >
> > The relevant diff files have been posted here (please refresh):
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9858-diff.html (comprehensive
> diff)
> > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9858-auth48diff.html (AUTH48
> changes only)
> >
> > Note that it may be necessary for you to refresh your browser to view
> the most recent version.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Sarah Tarrant
> > RFC Production Center
> >
> > > On Sep 29, 2025, at 10:20 AM, Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally!  I believe it's done.
> > >
> > > And thank you, Sarah, for your patience (and your careful review)
> > >
> > > From: Sarah Tarrant <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2025 9:09 AM
> > > To: Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: Quynh Dang <[email protected]>; [email protected] <
> [email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9858
> <draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets-19> for your review
> > >
> > > Hi Scott,
> > >
> > > No worries! I'll be on the lookout for your email.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Sarah Tarrant
> > > RFC Production Center
> > >
> > > > On Sep 26, 2025, at 8:04 AM, Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and I should have warned you - both Quynh and I are at a
> conference.  I was hoping I would have been able to work on this in the
> evenings - obviously, that plan failed.
> > > >
> > > > I'll get it to you by Monday (honest)
> > > >
> > > > From: Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2025 10:13 AM
> > > > To: Sarah Tarrant <[email protected]>; Quynh Dang <
> [email protected]>
> > > > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9858
> <draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets-19> for your review
> > > >
> > > > See SRF
> > > >
> > > > From: Sarah Tarrant <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2025 11:20 AM
> > > > To: Quynh Dang <[email protected]>; Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer) <
> [email protected]>
> > > > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9858
> <draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets-19> for your review
> > > >
> > > > Hi Scott and Quynh,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your replies. We have updated the document accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > We have a few followup questions/comments:
> > > >
> > > > A) Regarding:
> > > > > 1) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that
> appear in
> > > > > the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search.
> > > > > -->
> > > > We note that there were no keywords in the attached xml file, so we
> just wanted to double-check in case you wanted to add any keywords.
> > > >
> > > > SRF: That is correct - I honestly could not think of any appropriate
> keywords that we're already in the title
> > > >
> > > > That
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > B) Regarding:
> > > > > 12) <!-- [rfced] Questions about IANA values
> > > > > ...
> > > > > b) Some of these values also appear in Appendix A but without the
> "0x"
> > > > > prefix. Please confirm that this is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > Example:
> > > > >
> > > > > Appendix A:
> > > > >  0000000a
> > > > >
> > > > > "Numeric Identifier" column of "LM-OTS Signatures" registry:
> > > > >  0x0000000A
> > > > > -->
> > > > Just double-checking that this question was considered, as it
> doesn't appear to have been changed in the attached xml.
> > > >
> > > > SRF: That is correct.  The test vectors in A has a long list of hex
> values (with their meanings on the right side) - none of the other values
> have an 0x value, hence I thought it would be inappropriate to add them in
> a few cases.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > C) Regarding:
> > > > > 19) <!-- [rfced] Terminology
> > > > >
> > > > > a) The first two sentences below use "LM-OTS" and "LM", while the
> third
> > > > > sentence uses "LMOTS" and "LMS" when discussing Tables 1 and 2.
> Please review
> > > > > and let us know if updates are needed for consistency.
> > > > >
> > > > > Original:
> > > > >   Here is a table with the Leighton-Micali One-Time Signature
> (LM-OTS)
> > > > >   parameters defined that use the above hashes:
> > > > >   ...
> > > > >   Here is a table with the Leighton-Micali (LM) parameters defined
> that
> > > > >   use SHA-256/192, SHAKE256/256 SHAKE256/256, and SHAKE256/192
> hash functions:
> > > > >   ...
> > > > >   To use the additional hash functions within HSS, one would use
> the
> > > > >   appropriate LMOTS id from Table 1 and the appropriate LMS id from
> > > > >   Table 2, ...
> > > >
> > > > SRF: Oops, I believe you're right.  I thought I went through all
> those cases - I guess I missed a few.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > b) Please also review the following (which appear in Appendix A)
> and let us know
> > > > > if any updates are needed to align with the choice for the
> question above.
> > > > >
> > > > > LMS type
> > > > > LMOTS type
> > > > > LMOTS signature
> > > >
> > > > SRF: I know I saw those, and decided not to change them - on second
> thought, I think you're right.
> > >
> > > Done (LMOTS -> LM-OTS; LMS type stayed the same)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > c) Please review the the following and let us know if any updates
> are
> > > > > needed. These are used in RFC 8445, but we note that there is
> redundancy with
> > > > > "signature" when expanded (i.e., "Leighton-Micali Signature
> signature" and
> > > > > "Hierarchical Signature System signature").
> > > > >
> > > > >  LMS signature
> > > > >  HSS signature
> > > > > -->
> > > > Could you take a second look at these acronyms (a, b, and c) and let
> us know how we may update for consistency?
> > > >
> > > > SRF: Thank you, I will
> > >
> > > As for LMS signature, HSS signatures, yes, that is techincally
> redundant, but I can't think of a way to remove the redundancy without
> losing clarity (which, of course, is far more important).  Hence, it stays
> in.
> > >
> > >
> > > <rfc9858.xml>
> >
> > <rfc9858.xml>
>
>
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