Hi Lynne,

I am generally willing to go with the suggestions of Ron/Lou who have
more history and knowledge in these draft areas than I do. See
specific responses below.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 1:25 PM Lynne Bartholomew
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi, Donald, Ronald, Lou, and Don.
>
> Thank you for your replies.  Lou, we did not receive your first response, so 
> thank you for sending another.
>
> Don, adding you to the "To:" list, because Lou suggests three updates to 
> RFC-to-be 9892; please see his response below regarding our question 4).
>
> Donald, Ronald, and Lou, we have updated RFCs-to-be 9893, 9894, and 9895 to 
> use "credit window scheme" (no hyphen) per your (Donald's and Lou's) notes 
> below.
>
> = = = = =
>
> Please note that we will need the authors to reach agreement regarding our 
> questions 4), 5), and 6) before we make further updates.  Please advise:
>
> 4):  "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) vs. "credit 
> window flow control"
>    (3 instances in cluster):  Authors need to reach agreement on this.
>
>   Donald's reply:
>   Yes, I would say they mean the same thing in these documents. "credit
> window flow control" is just a more complete term and if there are
> seveal uses in the same paragraph or the like, it is reasonable to use
> the more complete term initially and the shortened term subsequently.
>
>   Lou's reply:
>   So the, albeit subtle, distinction between the terms is that "credit window 
> flow control" is the overall preprocess of using credit-based flow control, 
> while "credit window control" relates to the mechanisms/procedures defined to 
> grant and maintain credits. I think the alternatives are to leave as is or to 
> clarify the distinction.
> for the latter, my suggestions are:
> OLD
> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window control 
> mechanisms defined in <xref
> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
> control and flow mechanisms defined in <xref
> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        traffic 
> classification and credit window control mechanisms
> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and the 
> credit window control and flow mechanisms defined in
> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
> such as credit window control as specified in
> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
> control document provides an
> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window 
> control, allows credit windows to be shared
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window control 
> is used to regulate when data may be sent to
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support for 
>  credit window control by defining two new DLEP
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The use of credit window 
> control impacts the data plane.
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window 
> control mechanisms defined in this document
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
> credit window control is used.
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
> window control has similar objectives as the
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
> defined in support for credit window control:
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit Window 
> Control Data Items</name>
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
> are defined to support credit window control.
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
> control defined in this document is used. Note
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document introduces 
> credit window control and flow mechanisms
> NEW
> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window flow 
> control mechanisms defined in <xref
> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
> flow control mechanisms defined in <xref
> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        traffic 
> classification and credit window flow control mechanisms
> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and the 
> credit window flow control mechanisms defined in
> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
> such as credit window flow control as specified in
> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
> flow control document provides an
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support for 
>  credit window flow control by defining two new DLEP
> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window flow 
> control, allows credit windows to be shared
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window flow 
> control is used to regulate when data may be sent to
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      <name>Credit Window 
> Flow Control</name>
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    REPLACE: The use of 
> credit window control impacts the data plane.
>                                                                               
>             WITH: The additions provide the DLEP mechanisms to control 
> credits. Routers then use this
>                                                                               
>                          information to regulate when data is sent to a modem.
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window flow 
> control mechanisms defined in this document
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
> credit window flow control is used.
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
> window flow  control has similar objectives as the
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
> defined in support for control of credit windows:
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
> are defined to support the control of credit windows.
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
> flow control defined in this document is used. Note
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document introduces 
> credit window flow control mechanisms
> some of the above could refer to either the process or the mechanisms , in 
> which case I chose process.  I think this leaves one instance:
> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit Window 
> Control Data Items</name>
> I think this is better then "Data Items for the Control of Credit Windows" -- 
> but this too is acceptable.

I am OK with Lou's changes above.

> 5):  "Type Value" vs: "Type value":  Authors need to reach agreement on this.
>
>   Donald's reply:
>   I am inclined to capitalize Value.
>
>   Lou's reply:
>   lower case. to be consistent with rfc8175.

Ok with lower case.


> 6):  'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' only mentioned in two of the four 
> documents:  Authors need to reach agreement on the following:
>
>   Donald's reply:
>   Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistent to add that
> sentence to the Acknowledgements sections of the other two
> drafts. They all mention Data Items.
>
>   Ronald's reply:
>   Here I have to disagree with my esteemed co-chair. Note that I am not an
> author on any of these documents, so consider the following as no more than an
> opinion.
>
> I would move in the opposite direction and keep the acknowledgment of Rick
> Taylor as "the father of Sub-Data Items" *only* in
> draft-ietf-manet-traffic-classification. It is not my intention to diminish in
> any way the numerous and important contributions of Rick Taylor to the cluster
> of credit-based flow control I-Ds, DLEP as a whole or the MANET WG in general,
> but the mention of "Data Item Containers" as a predecessor of "Sub-Data Items"
> only makes sense in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification as this is
> the only document in the cluster to actually specify Sub-Data Items. I believe
> the acknowledgment of Rick Taylor in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
> is there for "hysterical raisins", i.e., as a left-over from the earliest
> versions of this draft which included the Traffic Classification Data Item and
> its Sub-Data Items before these were moved elsewhere in version -05.  See also
> the Acknowledgment section of RFC 8651. (As an aside: I don't like "Sub-Data
> Item" as a term. I would have preferred "Data Item Sub-item" or perhaps "Data
> Sub-item" or "Data Item Sub-TLV". It is way too late to make any such change,
> however, because RFC 8651 has set a precedent).
>
>   Lou's reply:
>   I'd leave as is or go with Ronald's proposal.

I'm fine either way so I suggest following Ron's recommendation.


Thanks,
Donald
===============================
 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
 [email protected]

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> Thanks again!
>
> Lynne Bartholomew
> RFC Production Center
>
>
> > On Nov 19, 2025, at 5:14 AM, Lou Berger <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Donald,
> >
> > Thank you for the response! please see my email (which got delayed due to 
> > mailer issues) and let me/us know if you are okay with my responses.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> > On 11/17/2025 5:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 5:16 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> Authors and AD*,
> >>>
> >>> *AD, please see #1 below.
> >>>
> >>> Authors, while reviewing this cluster of documents*, please reply to
> >>> the questions below regarding consistency across the cluster. These
> >>> questions are in addition to the document-specific questions sent
> >>> for each RFC-to-be. Your reply will likely impact two or more of the
> >>> documents in the cluster, so please discuss off-list as necessary,
> >>> and then let us know how to proceed. Note - You have the option of
> >>> updating the edited XML files yourself, if you prefer.  We will wait
> >>> to hear from you before continuing with the publication process.
> >>>
> >>> * Cluster 541 (C541) currently in AUTH48 state:
> >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9892.html
> >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9893.html
> >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9894.html
> >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9895.html
> >>> (In addition, the .pdf, .txt, .xml, and diff files are available.)
> >>>
> >>> You may track the progress of all documents in this cluster through
> >>> AUTH48 at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C541
> >>>
> >>> 1) *AD - We are sorry to hear of the passing of David Wiggins and
> >>> Stan Ratliff. David is listed as an author for RFCs-to-be 9892,
> >>> 9893, 9894, and 9895 (all documents in the cluster). Stan is listed
> >>> as an author for RFC-to-be 9893.
> >>>
> >>> As AD, please confirm that you will approve the documents on behalf
> >>> of David and Stan. (Note: Any of the three options at
> >>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor are acceptable.)
> >>>
> >>> 2) FYI - We updated "DiffServ" to "Diffserv" throughout the cluster
> >>> per https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=terms. If no
> >>> objections, we will ask IANA to update the following descriptions
> >>> prior to publication.
> >>> Link to registry group: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dlep-parameters
> >>>
> >>> "Traffic Classification Sub-Data Item Type Values" registry
> >>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification):
> >>>
> >>> OLD:
> >>>  DiffServ Traffic Classification
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>>  Diffserv Traffic Classification
> >>>
> >>> "Extension Type Values" registry 
> >>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension):
> >>>
> >>> OLD:
> >>>   DiffServ Aware Credit Window
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>>   Diffserv Aware Credit Window
> >> I think these updates to only an initial captial letter are fine and
> >> result in conformance to RFC Editor defaults.
> >>
> >>> 3) We see "Credit window control" (beginning of sentence, so the "C" is
> >>> capitalized) but "credit-window scheme". We suggest updating to "credit 
> >>> window
> >>> scheme" (no hyphen).
> >> OK with me.
> >>
> >>> 4) Do "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) and 
> >>> "credit
> >>> window flow control" (3 instances in cluster) mean the same thing?  Will 
> >>> the
> >>> interchangeable usage of these terms - or the distinction between the two 
> >>> -
> >>> be clear to readers?
> >> Yes, I would say they mean the same thing in these documents. "credit
> >> window flow control" is just a more complete term and if there are
> >> seveal uses in the same paragraph or the like, it is reasonable to use
> >> the more complete term initially and the shortened term subsequently.
> >>
> >>> 5) We see both "Type Value" and "Type value" in running text. Which
> >>> form is preferred?
> >>>
> >>> Some examples:
> >>> "Message Type value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control
> >>>
> >>> "DLEP Extension Type Value" in
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension and
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
> >>>
> >>> "DiffServ Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
> >>>
> >>> "IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
> >> I am inclined to capitalize Value.
> >>
> >>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
> >>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
> >>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
> >>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
> >> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that
> >> sentence to the Acknowledgements sections of the other two
> >> drafts. They all mention Data Items.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Donald
> >> ===============================
> >>  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> >>  2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
> >>  [email protected]
>
>
> > On Nov 19, 2025, at 5:11 AM, Lou Berger <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > sigh - my mailer (on my phone) seems to have eaten my first response.  [If 
> > you have a copy, please send it back to me ;-)]
> > This response has additional response - so if you did receive the first 
> > message, please use this message in its place.
> > Thank you,
> > Lou
> > PS I see there are other responses (Thank you!) and I'll respond to those 
> > if I have anything to add.
> > On 11/14/2025 5:16 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >> Authors and AD*,
> >>
> >> *AD, please see #1 below.
> >>
> >> Authors, while reviewing this cluster of documents*, please reply to the
> >> questions below regarding consistency across the cluster. These questions 
> >> are
> >> in addition to the document-specific questions sent for each RFC-to-be. 
> >> Your
> >> reply will likely impact two or more of the documents in the cluster, so
> >> please discuss off-list as necessary, and then let us know how to
> >> proceed. Note - You have the option of updating the edited XML files 
> >> yourself,
> >> if you prefer. We will wait to hear from you before continuing with the
> >> publication process.
> >>
> >> * Cluster 541 (C541) currently in AUTH48 state:
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9892.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9893.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9894.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9895.html
> >> (In addition, the .pdf, .txt, .xml, and diff files are available.)
> >>
> >> You may track the progress of all documents in this cluster through AUTH48 
> >> at:
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C541
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) *AD - We are sorry to hear of the passing of David Wiggins and Stan
> >> Ratliff. David is listed as an author for RFCs-to-be 9892, 9893, 9894, and
> >> 9895 (all documents in the cluster). Stan is listed as an author for 
> >> RFC-to-be
> >> 9893.
> >>
> >> As AD, please confirm that you will approve the documents on behalf of 
> >> David
> >> and Stan. (Note: Any of the three options at
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor are acceptable.)
> >>
> >>
> >> 2) FYI - We updated "DiffServ" to "Diffserv" throughout the cluster per
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=terms. If no objections, we
> >> will ask IANA to update the following descriptions prior to publication.
> >>
> >> Link to registry group: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dlep-parameters
> >>
> >> "Traffic Classification Sub-Data Item Type Values" registry
> >> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification):
> >>
> >> OLD:
> >> DiffServ Traffic Classification
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >> Diffserv Traffic Classification
> >>
> >> "Extension Type Values" registry 
> >> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension):
> >>
> >> OLD:
> >> DiffServ Aware Credit Window
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >> Diffserv Aware Credit Window
> >>
> > looks, right. Thank you.
> >
> >>
> >> 3) We see "Credit window control" (beginning of sentence, so the "C" is
> >> capitalized) but "credit-window scheme". We suggest updating to "credit 
> >> window
> >> scheme" (no hyphen).
> >>
> > Sure.
> >>
> >>
> >> 4) Do "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) and "credit
> >> window flow control" (3 instances in cluster) mean the same thing? Will the
> >> interchangeable usage of these terms - or the distinction between the two -
> >> be clear to readers?
> >>
> > So the, albeit subtle, distinction between the terms is that "credit window 
> > flow control" is the overall preprocess of using credit-based flow control, 
> > while "credit window control" relates to the mechanisms/procedures defined 
> > to grant and maintain credits. I think the alternatives are to leave as is 
> > or to clarify the distinction.
> > for the latter, my suggestions are:
> > OLD
> > credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window 
> > control mechanisms defined in <xref
> > credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
> > control and flow mechanisms defined in <xref
> > ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        
> > traffic classification and credit window control mechanisms
> > ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and 
> > the credit window control and flow mechanisms defined in
> > tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
> > such as credit window control as specified in
> > tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
> > control document provides an
> > tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window 
> > control, allows credit windows to be shared
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window control 
> > is used to regulate when data may be sent to
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support 
> > for  credit window control by defining two new DLEP
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The use of credit 
> > window control impacts the data plane.
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window 
> > control mechanisms defined in this document
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
> > credit window control is used.
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
> > window control has similar objectives as the
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
> > defined in support for credit window control:
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit 
> > Window Control Data Items</name>
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
> > are defined to support credit window control.
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
> > control defined in this document is used. Note
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document 
> > introduces credit window control and flow mechanisms
> > NEW
> > credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window flow 
> > control mechanisms defined in <xref
> > credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
> > flow control mechanisms defined in <xref
> > ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        
> > traffic classification and credit window flow control mechanisms
> > ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and 
> > the credit window flow control mechanisms defined in
> > tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
> > such as credit window flow control as specified in
> > tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
> > flow control document provides an
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support 
> > for  credit window flow control by defining two new DLEP
> > tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window 
> > flow control, allows credit windows to be shared
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window flow 
> > control is used to regulate when data may be sent to
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      <name>Credit Window 
> > Flow Control</name>
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    REPLACE: The use of 
> > credit window control impacts the data plane.
> >                                                                             
> >               WITH: The additions provide the DLEP mechanisms to control 
> > credits. Routers then use this
> >                                                                             
> >                            information to regulate when data is sent to a 
> > modem.
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window flow 
> > control mechanisms defined in this document
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
> > credit window flow control is used.
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
> > window flow  control has similar objectives as the
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
> > defined in support for control of credit windows:
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
> > are defined to support the control of credit windows.
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
> > flow control defined in this document is used. Note
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document 
> > introduces credit window flow control mechanisms
> > some of the above could refer to ether the process or the mechanisms , in 
> > which case I chose process.  I think this leaves one instance:
> > fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit 
> > Window Control Data Items</name>
> > I think this is better then "Data Items for the Control of Credit Windows" 
> > -- but this too is acceptable.
> >>
> >> 5) We see both "Type Value" and "Type value" in running text. Which form is
> >> preferred?
> >>
> >> Some examples:
> >> "Message Type value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control
> >>
> >> "DLEP Extension Type Value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension 
> >> and
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
> >>
> >> "DiffServ Aware Credit Window Type Value" in 
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
> >>
> >> "IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Type Value" in 
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
> >>
> >>
> > lower case. to be consistent with rfc8175.
> >> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
> >> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
> >> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension). Would you like to add the
> >> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
> >>
> > I'd leave as is or go with Ronald's proposal.
> > Thank you!
> > Lou
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 2025, at 3:42 PM, Lou Berger <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > WFM - thanks!
> >
> > Lou
> >
> > On 11/18/2025 6:37 PM, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
> >>>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
> >>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
> >>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
> >>>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
> >>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
> >>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
> >>> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that sentence to
> >>> the Acknowledgements sections of the other two drafts. They all mention
> >>> Data Items.
> >> Here I have to disagree with my esteemed co-chair. Note that I am not an
> >> author on any of these documents, so consider the following as no more 
> >> than an
> >> opinion.
> >>
> >> I would move in the opposite direction and keep the acknowledgment of Rick
> >> Taylor as "the father of Sub-Data Items" *only* in
> >> draft-ietf-manet-traffic-classification. It is not my intention to 
> >> diminish in
> >> any way the numerous and important contributions of Rick Taylor to the 
> >> cluster
> >> of credit-based flow control I-Ds, DLEP as a whole or the MANET WG in 
> >> general,
> >> but the mention of "Data Item Containers" as a predecessor of "Sub-Data 
> >> Items"
> >> only makes sense in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification as this is
> >> the only document in the cluster to actually specify Sub-Data Items. I 
> >> believe
> >> the acknowledgment of Rick Taylor in 
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
> >> is there for "hysterical raisins", i.e., as a left-over from the earliest
> >> versions of this draft which included the Traffic Classification Data Item 
> >> and
> >> its Sub-Data Items before these were moved elsewhere in version -05.  See 
> >> also
> >> the Acknowledgment section of RFC 8651. (As an aside: I don't like 
> >> "Sub-Data
> >> Item" as a term. I would have preferred "Data Item Sub-item" or perhaps 
> >> "Data
> >> Sub-item" or "Data Item Sub-TLV". It is way too late to make any such 
> >> change,
> >> however, because RFC 8651 has set a precedent).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ronald
> >
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 2025, at 3:37 PM, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't 
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
> >>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
> >>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
> >>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
> >>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
> >>
> >> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that sentence to
> >> the Acknowledgements sections of the other two drafts. They all mention
> >> Data Items.
> >
> > Here I have to disagree with my esteemed co-chair. Note that I am not an
> > author on any of these documents, so consider the following as no more than 
> > an
> > opinion.
> >
> > I would move in the opposite direction and keep the acknowledgment of Rick
> > Taylor as "the father of Sub-Data Items" *only* in
> > draft-ietf-manet-traffic-classification. It is not my intention to diminish 
> > in
> > any way the numerous and important contributions of Rick Taylor to the 
> > cluster
> > of credit-based flow control I-Ds, DLEP as a whole or the MANET WG in 
> > general,
> > but the mention of "Data Item Containers" as a predecessor of "Sub-Data 
> > Items"
> > only makes sense in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification as this is
> > the only document in the cluster to actually specify Sub-Data Items. I 
> > believe
> > the acknowledgment of Rick Taylor in 
> > draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
> > is there for "hysterical raisins", i.e., as a left-over from the earliest
> > versions of this draft which included the Traffic Classification Data Item 
> > and
> > its Sub-Data Items before these were moved elsewhere in version -05.  See 
> > also
> > the Acknowledgment section of RFC 8651. (As an aside: I don't like "Sub-Data
> > Item" as a term. I would have preferred "Data Item Sub-item" or perhaps 
> > "Data
> > Sub-item" or "Data Item Sub-TLV". It is way too late to make any such 
> > change,
> > however, because RFC 8651 has set a precedent).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ronald
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2025, at 2:50 PM, Donald Eastlake <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 5:16 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Authors and AD*,
> >>
> >> *AD, please see #1 below.
> >>
> >> Authors, while reviewing this cluster of documents*, please reply to
> >> the questions below regarding consistency across the cluster. These
> >> questions are in addition to the document-specific questions sent
> >> for each RFC-to-be. Your reply will likely impact two or more of the
> >> documents in the cluster, so please discuss off-list as necessary,
> >> and then let us know how to proceed. Note - You have the option of
> >> updating the edited XML files yourself, if you prefer.  We will wait
> >> to hear from you before continuing with the publication process.
> >>
> >> * Cluster 541 (C541) currently in AUTH48 state:
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9892.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9893.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9894.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9895.html
> >> (In addition, the .pdf, .txt, .xml, and diff files are available.)
> >>
> >> You may track the progress of all documents in this cluster through
> >> AUTH48 at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C541
> >>
> >> 1) *AD - We are sorry to hear of the passing of David Wiggins and
> >> Stan Ratliff. David is listed as an author for RFCs-to-be 9892,
> >> 9893, 9894, and 9895 (all documents in the cluster). Stan is listed
> >> as an author for RFC-to-be 9893.
> >>
> >> As AD, please confirm that you will approve the documents on behalf
> >> of David and Stan. (Note: Any of the three options at
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor are acceptable.)
> >>
> >> 2) FYI - We updated "DiffServ" to "Diffserv" throughout the cluster
> >> per https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=terms. If no
> >> objections, we will ask IANA to update the following descriptions
> >> prior to publication.
> >
> >> Link to registry group: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dlep-parameters
> >>
> >> "Traffic Classification Sub-Data Item Type Values" registry
> >> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification):
> >>
> >> OLD:
> >> DiffServ Traffic Classification
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >> Diffserv Traffic Classification
> >>
> >> "Extension Type Values" registry 
> >> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension):
> >>
> >> OLD:
> >>  DiffServ Aware Credit Window
> >>
> >> NEW:
> >>  Diffserv Aware Credit Window
> >
> > I think these updates to only an initial captial letter are fine and
> > result in conformance to RFC Editor defaults.
> >
> >> 3) We see "Credit window control" (beginning of sentence, so the "C" is
> >> capitalized) but "credit-window scheme". We suggest updating to "credit 
> >> window
> >> scheme" (no hyphen).
> >
> > OK with me.
> >
> >> 4) Do "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) and "credit
> >> window flow control" (3 instances in cluster) mean the same thing?  Will 
> >> the
> >> interchangeable usage of these terms - or the distinction between the two -
> >> be clear to readers?
> >
> > Yes, I would say they mean the same thing in these documents. "credit
> > window flow control" is just a more complete term and if there are
> > seveal uses in the same paragraph or the like, it is reasonable to use
> > the more complete term initially and the shortened term subsequently.
> >
> >> 5) We see both "Type Value" and "Type value" in running text. Which
> >> form is preferred?
> >>
> >> Some examples:
> >> "Message Type value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control
> >>
> >> "DLEP Extension Type Value" in
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension and
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
> >>
> >> "DiffServ Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
> >>
> >> "IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
> >
> > I am inclined to capitalize Value.
> >
> >> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
> >> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
> >> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
> >> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
> >> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
> >
> > Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that
> > sentence to the Acknowledgements sections of the other two
> > drafts. They all mention Data Items.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Donald
> > ===============================
> > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> > 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
> > [email protected]
> >
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Lynne Bartholomew and Rebecca VanRheenen
> >> RFC Production Center
> >
>

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