Hi, Donald and everyone.

Donald, we have updated the documents per your latest notes below.  
Authors/coauthors, please let us know any concerns.

Because there are quite a few updates -- particularly as related to "credit 
window control" vs. "credit window flow control" in 
draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control (RFC-to-be 9893; also, some of the 
listed updates referred to outdated copy) -- please review our updates 
carefully, and let us know if we missed anything or if anything is incorrect.

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Lynne Bartholomew
RFC Production Center


> On Nov 23, 2025, at 10:18 AM, Donald Eastlake <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynne,
> 
> I am generally willing to go with the suggestions of Ron/Lou who have
> more history and knowledge in these draft areas than I do. See
> specific responses below.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 1:25 PM Lynne Bartholomew
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Donald, Ronald, Lou, and Don.
>> 
>> Thank you for your replies.  Lou, we did not receive your first response, so 
>> thank you for sending another.
>> 
>> Don, adding you to the "To:" list, because Lou suggests three updates to 
>> RFC-to-be 9892; please see his response below regarding our question 4).
>> 
>> Donald, Ronald, and Lou, we have updated RFCs-to-be 9893, 9894, and 9895 to 
>> use "credit window scheme" (no hyphen) per your (Donald's and Lou's) notes 
>> below.
>> 
>> = = = = =
>> 
>> Please note that we will need the authors to reach agreement regarding our 
>> questions 4), 5), and 6) before we make further updates.  Please advise:
>> 
>> 4):  "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) vs. "credit 
>> window flow control"
>>   (3 instances in cluster):  Authors need to reach agreement on this.
>> 
>>  Donald's reply:
>>  Yes, I would say they mean the same thing in these documents. "credit
>> window flow control" is just a more complete term and if there are
>> seveal uses in the same paragraph or the like, it is reasonable to use
>> the more complete term initially and the shortened term subsequently.
>> 
>>  Lou's reply:
>>  So the, albeit subtle, distinction between the terms is that "credit window 
>> flow control" is the overall preprocess of using credit-based flow control, 
>> while "credit window control" relates to the mechanisms/procedures defined 
>> to grant and maintain credits. I think the alternatives are to leave as is 
>> or to clarify the distinction.
>> for the latter, my suggestions are:
>> OLD
>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window control 
>> mechanisms defined in <xref
>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
>> control and flow mechanisms defined in <xref
>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        
>> traffic classification and credit window control mechanisms
>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and 
>> the credit window control and flow mechanisms defined in
>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
>> such as credit window control as specified in
>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
>> control document provides an
>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window 
>> control, allows credit windows to be shared
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window control 
>> is used to regulate when data may be sent to
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support 
>> for  credit window control by defining two new DLEP
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The use of credit 
>> window control impacts the data plane.
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window 
>> control mechanisms defined in this document
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
>> credit window control is used.
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
>> window control has similar objectives as the
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
>> defined in support for credit window control:
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit Window 
>> Control Data Items</name>
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
>> are defined to support credit window control.
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
>> control defined in this document is used. Note
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document 
>> introduces credit window control and flow mechanisms
>> NEW
>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window flow 
>> control mechanisms defined in <xref
>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
>> flow control mechanisms defined in <xref
>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        
>> traffic classification and credit window flow control mechanisms
>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and 
>> the credit window flow control mechanisms defined in
>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
>> such as credit window flow control as specified in
>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
>> flow control document provides an
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support 
>> for  credit window flow control by defining two new DLEP
>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window flow 
>> control, allows credit windows to be shared
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window flow 
>> control is used to regulate when data may be sent to
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      <name>Credit Window 
>> Flow Control</name>
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    REPLACE: The use of 
>> credit window control impacts the data plane.
>>                                                                              
>>             WITH: The additions provide the DLEP mechanisms to control 
>> credits. Routers then use this
>>                                                                              
>>                          information to regulate when data is sent to a 
>> modem.
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window flow 
>> control mechanisms defined in this document
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
>> credit window flow control is used.
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
>> window flow  control has similar objectives as the
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
>> defined in support for control of credit windows:
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
>> are defined to support the control of credit windows.
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
>> flow control defined in this document is used. Note
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document 
>> introduces credit window flow control mechanisms
>> some of the above could refer to either the process or the mechanisms , in 
>> which case I chose process.  I think this leaves one instance:
>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit Window 
>> Control Data Items</name>
>> I think this is better then "Data Items for the Control of Credit Windows" 
>> -- but this too is acceptable.
> 
> I am OK with Lou's changes above.
> 
>> 5):  "Type Value" vs: "Type value":  Authors need to reach agreement on this.
>> 
>>  Donald's reply:
>>  I am inclined to capitalize Value.
>> 
>>  Lou's reply:
>>  lower case. to be consistent with rfc8175.
> 
> Ok with lower case.
> 
> 
>> 6):  'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' only mentioned in two of the 
>> four documents:  Authors need to reach agreement on the following:
>> 
>>  Donald's reply:
>>  Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistent to add that
>> sentence to the Acknowledgements sections of the other two
>> drafts. They all mention Data Items.
>> 
>>  Ronald's reply:
>>  Here I have to disagree with my esteemed co-chair. Note that I am not an
>> author on any of these documents, so consider the following as no more than 
>> an
>> opinion.
>> 
>> I would move in the opposite direction and keep the acknowledgment of Rick
>> Taylor as "the father of Sub-Data Items" *only* in
>> draft-ietf-manet-traffic-classification. It is not my intention to diminish 
>> in
>> any way the numerous and important contributions of Rick Taylor to the 
>> cluster
>> of credit-based flow control I-Ds, DLEP as a whole or the MANET WG in 
>> general,
>> but the mention of "Data Item Containers" as a predecessor of "Sub-Data 
>> Items"
>> only makes sense in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification as this is
>> the only document in the cluster to actually specify Sub-Data Items. I 
>> believe
>> the acknowledgment of Rick Taylor in 
>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
>> is there for "hysterical raisins", i.e., as a left-over from the earliest
>> versions of this draft which included the Traffic Classification Data Item 
>> and
>> its Sub-Data Items before these were moved elsewhere in version -05.  See 
>> also
>> the Acknowledgment section of RFC 8651. (As an aside: I don't like "Sub-Data
>> Item" as a term. I would have preferred "Data Item Sub-item" or perhaps "Data
>> Sub-item" or "Data Item Sub-TLV". It is way too late to make any such change,
>> however, because RFC 8651 has set a precedent).
>> 
>>  Lou's reply:
>>  I'd leave as is or go with Ronald's proposal.
> 
> I'm fine either way so I suggest following Ron's recommendation.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Donald
> ===============================
> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
> [email protected]
> 
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>> 
>> In the meantime, the latest copies of RFCs-to-be 9893, 9894, and 9895 are 
>> posted here.  Please refresh your browser:
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>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Lynne Bartholomew
>> RFC Production Center
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2025, at 5:14 AM, Lou Berger <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donald,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the response! please see my email (which got delayed due to 
>>> mailer issues) and let me/us know if you are okay with my responses.
>>> 
>>> Lou
>>> 
>>> On 11/17/2025 5:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 5:16 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Authors and AD*,
>>>>> 
>>>>> *AD, please see #1 below.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Authors, while reviewing this cluster of documents*, please reply to
>>>>> the questions below regarding consistency across the cluster. These
>>>>> questions are in addition to the document-specific questions sent
>>>>> for each RFC-to-be. Your reply will likely impact two or more of the
>>>>> documents in the cluster, so please discuss off-list as necessary,
>>>>> and then let us know how to proceed. Note - You have the option of
>>>>> updating the edited XML files yourself, if you prefer.  We will wait
>>>>> to hear from you before continuing with the publication process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Cluster 541 (C541) currently in AUTH48 state:
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9892.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9893.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9894.html
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9895.html
>>>>> (In addition, the .pdf, .txt, .xml, and diff files are available.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> You may track the progress of all documents in this cluster through
>>>>> AUTH48 at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C541
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) *AD - We are sorry to hear of the passing of David Wiggins and
>>>>> Stan Ratliff. David is listed as an author for RFCs-to-be 9892,
>>>>> 9893, 9894, and 9895 (all documents in the cluster). Stan is listed
>>>>> as an author for RFC-to-be 9893.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As AD, please confirm that you will approve the documents on behalf
>>>>> of David and Stan. (Note: Any of the three options at
>>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor are acceptable.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) FYI - We updated "DiffServ" to "Diffserv" throughout the cluster
>>>>> per https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=terms. If no
>>>>> objections, we will ask IANA to update the following descriptions
>>>>> prior to publication.
>>>>> Link to registry group: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dlep-parameters
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Traffic Classification Sub-Data Item Type Values" registry
>>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification):
>>>>> 
>>>>> OLD:
>>>>> DiffServ Traffic Classification
>>>>> 
>>>>> NEW:
>>>>> Diffserv Traffic Classification
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Extension Type Values" registry 
>>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension):
>>>>> 
>>>>> OLD:
>>>>>  DiffServ Aware Credit Window
>>>>> 
>>>>> NEW:
>>>>>  Diffserv Aware Credit Window
>>>> I think these updates to only an initial captial letter are fine and
>>>> result in conformance to RFC Editor defaults.
>>>> 
>>>>> 3) We see "Credit window control" (beginning of sentence, so the "C" is
>>>>> capitalized) but "credit-window scheme". We suggest updating to "credit 
>>>>> window
>>>>> scheme" (no hyphen).
>>>> OK with me.
>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Do "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) and 
>>>>> "credit
>>>>> window flow control" (3 instances in cluster) mean the same thing?  Will 
>>>>> the
>>>>> interchangeable usage of these terms - or the distinction between the two 
>>>>> -
>>>>> be clear to readers?
>>>> Yes, I would say they mean the same thing in these documents. "credit
>>>> window flow control" is just a more complete term and if there are
>>>> seveal uses in the same paragraph or the like, it is reasonable to use
>>>> the more complete term initially and the shortened term subsequently.
>>>> 
>>>>> 5) We see both "Type Value" and "Type value" in running text. Which
>>>>> form is preferred?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some examples:
>>>>> "Message Type value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control
>>>>> 
>>>>> "DLEP Extension Type Value" in
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension and
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
>>>>> 
>>>>> "DiffServ Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
>>>>> 
>>>>> "IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
>>>> I am inclined to capitalize Value.
>>>> 
>>>>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
>>>>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
>>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
>>>>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
>>>> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that
>>>> sentence to the Acknowledgements sections of the other two
>>>> drafts. They all mention Data Items.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donald
>>>> ===============================
>>>> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>>>> 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
>>>> [email protected]
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2025, at 5:11 AM, Lou Berger <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> sigh - my mailer (on my phone) seems to have eaten my first response.  [If 
>>> you have a copy, please send it back to me ;-)]
>>> This response has additional response - so if you did receive the first 
>>> message, please use this message in its place.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Lou
>>> PS I see there are other responses (Thank you!) and I'll respond to those 
>>> if I have anything to add.
>>> On 11/14/2025 5:16 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> Authors and AD*,
>>>> 
>>>> *AD, please see #1 below.
>>>> 
>>>> Authors, while reviewing this cluster of documents*, please reply to the
>>>> questions below regarding consistency across the cluster. These questions 
>>>> are
>>>> in addition to the document-specific questions sent for each RFC-to-be. 
>>>> Your
>>>> reply will likely impact two or more of the documents in the cluster, so
>>>> please discuss off-list as necessary, and then let us know how to
>>>> proceed. Note - You have the option of updating the edited XML files 
>>>> yourself,
>>>> if you prefer. We will wait to hear from you before continuing with the
>>>> publication process.
>>>> 
>>>> * Cluster 541 (C541) currently in AUTH48 state:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9892.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9893.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9894.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9895.html
>>>> (In addition, the .pdf, .txt, .xml, and diff files are available.)
>>>> 
>>>> You may track the progress of all documents in this cluster through AUTH48 
>>>> at:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C541
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1) *AD - We are sorry to hear of the passing of David Wiggins and Stan
>>>> Ratliff. David is listed as an author for RFCs-to-be 9892, 9893, 9894, and
>>>> 9895 (all documents in the cluster). Stan is listed as an author for 
>>>> RFC-to-be
>>>> 9893.
>>>> 
>>>> As AD, please confirm that you will approve the documents on behalf of 
>>>> David
>>>> and Stan. (Note: Any of the three options at
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor are acceptable.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2) FYI - We updated "DiffServ" to "Diffserv" throughout the cluster per
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=terms. If no objections, we
>>>> will ask IANA to update the following descriptions prior to publication.
>>>> 
>>>> Link to registry group: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dlep-parameters
>>>> 
>>>> "Traffic Classification Sub-Data Item Type Values" registry
>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification):
>>>> 
>>>> OLD:
>>>> DiffServ Traffic Classification
>>>> 
>>>> NEW:
>>>> Diffserv Traffic Classification
>>>> 
>>>> "Extension Type Values" registry 
>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension):
>>>> 
>>>> OLD:
>>>> DiffServ Aware Credit Window
>>>> 
>>>> NEW:
>>>> Diffserv Aware Credit Window
>>>> 
>>> looks, right. Thank you.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 3) We see "Credit window control" (beginning of sentence, so the "C" is
>>>> capitalized) but "credit-window scheme". We suggest updating to "credit 
>>>> window
>>>> scheme" (no hyphen).
>>>> 
>>> Sure.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 4) Do "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) and "credit
>>>> window flow control" (3 instances in cluster) mean the same thing? Will the
>>>> interchangeable usage of these terms - or the distinction between the two -
>>>> be clear to readers?
>>>> 
>>> So the, albeit subtle, distinction between the terms is that "credit window 
>>> flow control" is the overall preprocess of using credit-based flow control, 
>>> while "credit window control" relates to the mechanisms/procedures defined 
>>> to grant and maintain credits. I think the alternatives are to leave as is 
>>> or to clarify the distinction.
>>> for the latter, my suggestions are:
>>> OLD
>>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window 
>>> control mechanisms defined in <xref
>>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
>>> control and flow mechanisms defined in <xref
>>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        
>>> traffic classification and credit window control mechanisms
>>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and 
>>> the credit window control and flow mechanisms defined in
>>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
>>> such as credit window control as specified in
>>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
>>> control document provides an
>>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window 
>>> control, allows credit windows to be shared
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window control 
>>> is used to regulate when data may be sent to
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support 
>>> for  credit window control by defining two new DLEP
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The use of credit 
>>> window control impacts the data plane.
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window 
>>> control mechanisms defined in this document
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
>>> credit window control is used.
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
>>> window control has similar objectives as the
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
>>> defined in support for credit window control:
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit 
>>> Window Control Data Items</name>
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
>>> are defined to support credit window control.
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
>>> control defined in this document is used. Note
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document 
>>> introduces credit window control and flow mechanisms
>>> NEW
>>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:  credit window flow 
>>> control mechanisms defined in <xref
>>> credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension.xml:    the credit window 
>>> flow control mechanisms defined in <xref
>>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        
>>> traffic classification and credit window flow control mechanisms
>>> ether-credit/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension.xml:        and 
>>> the credit window flow control mechanisms defined in
>>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      with applications 
>>> such as credit window flow control as specified in
>>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      The credit window 
>>> flow control document provides an
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      introduces support 
>>> for  credit window flow control by defining two new DLEP
>>> tc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification.xml:      credit window 
>>> flow control, allows credit windows to be shared
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:     Credit window flow 
>>> control is used to regulate when data may be sent to
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      <name>Credit Window 
>>> Flow Control</name>
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    REPLACE: The use of 
>>> credit window control impacts the data plane.
>>>                                                                             
>>>              WITH: The additions provide the DLEP mechanisms to control 
>>> credits. Routers then use this
>>>                                                                             
>>>                           information to regulate when data is sent to a 
>>> modem.
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    The credit window flow 
>>> control mechanisms defined in this document
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    requiring the use of 
>>> credit window flow control is used.
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      The defined credit 
>>> window flow  control has similar objectives as the
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Two new messages are 
>>> defined in support for control of credit windows:
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:      Five new Data Items 
>>> are defined to support the control of credit windows.
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        the credit window 
>>> flow control defined in this document is used. Note
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:    This document 
>>> introduces credit window flow control mechanisms
>>> some of the above could refer to ether the process or the mechanisms , in 
>>> which case I chose process.  I think this leaves one instance:
>>> fc/draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control.xml:        <name>Credit 
>>> Window Control Data Items</name>
>>> I think this is better then "Data Items for the Control of Credit Windows" 
>>> -- but this too is acceptable.
>>>> 
>>>> 5) We see both "Type Value" and "Type value" in running text. Which form is
>>>> preferred?
>>>> 
>>>> Some examples:
>>>> "Message Type value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control
>>>> 
>>>> "DLEP Extension Type Value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension 
>>>> and
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
>>>> 
>>>> "DiffServ Aware Credit Window Type Value" in 
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
>>>> 
>>>> "IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Type Value" in 
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> lower case. to be consistent with rfc8175.
>>>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
>>>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension). Would you like to add the
>>>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
>>>> 
>>> I'd leave as is or go with Ronald's proposal.
>>> Thank you!
>>> Lou
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2025, at 3:42 PM, Lou Berger <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> WFM - thanks!
>>> 
>>> Lou
>>> 
>>> On 11/18/2025 6:37 PM, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
>>>>>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
>>>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
>>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
>>>>>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
>>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
>>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
>>>>> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that sentence to
>>>>> the Acknowledgements sections of the other two drafts. They all mention
>>>>> Data Items.
>>>> Here I have to disagree with my esteemed co-chair. Note that I am not an
>>>> author on any of these documents, so consider the following as no more 
>>>> than an
>>>> opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> I would move in the opposite direction and keep the acknowledgment of Rick
>>>> Taylor as "the father of Sub-Data Items" *only* in
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-traffic-classification. It is not my intention to 
>>>> diminish in
>>>> any way the numerous and important contributions of Rick Taylor to the 
>>>> cluster
>>>> of credit-based flow control I-Ds, DLEP as a whole or the MANET WG in 
>>>> general,
>>>> but the mention of "Data Item Containers" as a predecessor of "Sub-Data 
>>>> Items"
>>>> only makes sense in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification as this is
>>>> the only document in the cluster to actually specify Sub-Data Items. I 
>>>> believe
>>>> the acknowledgment of Rick Taylor in 
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
>>>> is there for "hysterical raisins", i.e., as a left-over from the earliest
>>>> versions of this draft which included the Traffic Classification Data Item 
>>>> and
>>>> its Sub-Data Items before these were moved elsewhere in version -05.  See 
>>>> also
>>>> the Acknowledgment section of RFC 8651. (As an aside: I don't like 
>>>> "Sub-Data
>>>> Item" as a term. I would have preferred "Data Item Sub-item" or perhaps 
>>>> "Data
>>>> Sub-item" or "Data Item Sub-TLV". It is way too late to make any such 
>>>> change,
>>>> however, because RFC 8651 has set a precedent).
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ronald
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2025, at 3:37 PM, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
>>>>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
>>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
>>>>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
>>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that sentence to
>>>> the Acknowledgements sections of the other two drafts. They all mention
>>>> Data Items.
>>> 
>>> Here I have to disagree with my esteemed co-chair. Note that I am not an
>>> author on any of these documents, so consider the following as no more than 
>>> an
>>> opinion.
>>> 
>>> I would move in the opposite direction and keep the acknowledgment of Rick
>>> Taylor as "the father of Sub-Data Items" *only* in
>>> draft-ietf-manet-traffic-classification. It is not my intention to diminish 
>>> in
>>> any way the numerous and important contributions of Rick Taylor to the 
>>> cluster
>>> of credit-based flow control I-Ds, DLEP as a whole or the MANET WG in 
>>> general,
>>> but the mention of "Data Item Containers" as a predecessor of "Sub-Data 
>>> Items"
>>> only makes sense in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification as this is
>>> the only document in the cluster to actually specify Sub-Data Items. I 
>>> believe
>>> the acknowledgment of Rick Taylor in 
>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
>>> is there for "hysterical raisins", i.e., as a left-over from the earliest
>>> versions of this draft which included the Traffic Classification Data Item 
>>> and
>>> its Sub-Data Items before these were moved elsewhere in version -05.  See 
>>> also
>>> the Acknowledgment section of RFC 8651. (As an aside: I don't like "Sub-Data
>>> Item" as a term. I would have preferred "Data Item Sub-item" or perhaps 
>>> "Data
>>> Sub-item" or "Data Item Sub-TLV". It is way too late to make any such 
>>> change,
>>> however, because RFC 8651 has set a precedent).
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2025, at 2:50 PM, Donald Eastlake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 5:16 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Authors and AD*,
>>>> 
>>>> *AD, please see #1 below.
>>>> 
>>>> Authors, while reviewing this cluster of documents*, please reply to
>>>> the questions below regarding consistency across the cluster. These
>>>> questions are in addition to the document-specific questions sent
>>>> for each RFC-to-be. Your reply will likely impact two or more of the
>>>> documents in the cluster, so please discuss off-list as necessary,
>>>> and then let us know how to proceed. Note - You have the option of
>>>> updating the edited XML files yourself, if you prefer.  We will wait
>>>> to hear from you before continuing with the publication process.
>>>> 
>>>> * Cluster 541 (C541) currently in AUTH48 state:
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9892.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9893.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9894.html
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9895.html
>>>> (In addition, the .pdf, .txt, .xml, and diff files are available.)
>>>> 
>>>> You may track the progress of all documents in this cluster through
>>>> AUTH48 at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/C541
>>>> 
>>>> 1) *AD - We are sorry to hear of the passing of David Wiggins and
>>>> Stan Ratliff. David is listed as an author for RFCs-to-be 9892,
>>>> 9893, 9894, and 9895 (all documents in the cluster). Stan is listed
>>>> as an author for RFC-to-be 9893.
>>>> 
>>>> As AD, please confirm that you will approve the documents on behalf
>>>> of David and Stan. (Note: Any of the three options at
>>>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#missingauthor are acceptable.)
>>>> 
>>>> 2) FYI - We updated "DiffServ" to "Diffserv" throughout the cluster
>>>> per https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=terms. If no
>>>> objections, we will ask IANA to update the following descriptions
>>>> prior to publication.
>>> 
>>>> Link to registry group: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dlep-parameters
>>>> 
>>>> "Traffic Classification Sub-Data Item Type Values" registry
>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification):
>>>> 
>>>> OLD:
>>>> DiffServ Traffic Classification
>>>> 
>>>> NEW:
>>>> Diffserv Traffic Classification
>>>> 
>>>> "Extension Type Values" registry 
>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension):
>>>> 
>>>> OLD:
>>>> DiffServ Aware Credit Window
>>>> 
>>>> NEW:
>>>> Diffserv Aware Credit Window
>>> 
>>> I think these updates to only an initial captial letter are fine and
>>> result in conformance to RFC Editor defaults.
>>> 
>>>> 3) We see "Credit window control" (beginning of sentence, so the "C" is
>>>> capitalized) but "credit-window scheme". We suggest updating to "credit 
>>>> window
>>>> scheme" (no hyphen).
>>> 
>>> OK with me.
>>> 
>>>> 4) Do "credit window control" (approx. 24 instances in cluster) and "credit
>>>> window flow control" (3 instances in cluster) mean the same thing?  Will 
>>>> the
>>>> interchangeable usage of these terms - or the distinction between the two -
>>>> be clear to readers?
>>> 
>>> Yes, I would say they mean the same thing in these documents. "credit
>>> window flow control" is just a more complete term and if there are
>>> seveal uses in the same paragraph or the like, it is reasonable to use
>>> the more complete term initially and the shortened term subsequently.
>>> 
>>>> 5) We see both "Type Value" and "Type value" in running text. Which
>>>> form is preferred?
>>>> 
>>>> Some examples:
>>>> "Message Type value" in draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control
>>>> 
>>>> "DLEP Extension Type Value" in
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension and
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
>>>> 
>>>> "DiffServ Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension
>>>> 
>>>> "IEEE 802.1Q Aware Credit Window Type Value" in
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension
>>> 
>>> I am inclined to capitalize Value.
>>> 
>>>> 6) 'Rick Taylor's "Data Item Containers"' is only mentioned in the
>>>> Acknowledgments sections of two of the four documents in this group
>>>> (draft-ietf-manet-dlep-traffic-classification and
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-da-credit-extension).  Would you like to add the
>>>> applicable sentence to the Acknowledgments sections of
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-credit-flow-control and
>>>> draft-ietf-manet-dlep-ether-credit-extension as well?
>>> 
>>> Yes, I think it would be reasonable and consistant to add that
>>> sentence to the Acknowledgements sections of the other two
>>> drafts. They all mention Data Items.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donald
>>> ===============================
>>> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
>>> 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA
>>> [email protected]
>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> Lynne Bartholomew and Rebecca VanRheenen
>>>> RFC Production Center
>>> 
>> 


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