Sam Ruby wrote:

Leo Sutic wrote:


What does concerns me, however, is when knowledge of such events and fail to spark a dialog. Particuarly, when this is all within the scope of a single project.

 + People developing Phoenix have in some instances been completely
   unaware of Avalon.

Clearly somebody committed a change to phoenix creating a depencency on what is now excalibur-info in the sandbox. Furthermore, there has been plenty of notifications that the current version of info has diverged from what phoenix needs.

In short - there is a major chasm here. Result: When things like this happen, people will just think "not my problem". I know I did.

It very much concerns me when there is a PMC full of people, all of whom consider this not their problem.

It very much concerns me where there is considerable pressure on one hand to be non-devisive (i.e. no -1s) and on the otherhand, the suggestion that someone thinks that the PMC in general thinks its not our problem. Yes it is our problem - the only issue is when do we bite the bullet and bring Phoenix into Avalon. That will require effort and resource and will. I don't think those ingridients will be available until we get the container API in place. In the meantime we have two options:

(b) the easy option

Let Phoenix development continue in an independent path.

(a) the hard option

Stop further divergence of Phoenix.

Cheers, Steve.


- Sam Ruby




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