Alex,

I would be grateful if you could spell out why you think Apache Axis
'sucks'? As an Axis committer I am aware of some major deficiencies, but
perhaps you had other things in mind. Please copy axis-dev on your reply as
I'm sure the other developers would welcome specific criticisms.

Thanks,

Glyn
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Hi Andrew,

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Enviado el: sábado 25 de mayo de 2002 18:39
> Para: Jakarta General List
> Asunto: Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
>
> From my understanding, in most European parliamentary democracies,
> generally you vote for more issue-oriented parties.  Even if
> you "loose"
> you take a certain number of seats.  So it makes sense to vote
> regardless of whether its going to be a landslide.

In most European countries, voting is as irrelevant as it's in the States:
http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com/
In Spain we've seen socialists undercutting social benefits and privatizing
public companies; and right-wing parties supporting abortion and promoting
public function. (Not a bad thing, necessarily, just a sign of the times).
I'm sure you can think of similar examples in your own countries.

The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in its democratic
values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this fails, does the
result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind).

Un saludo,

Alex.






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