A voice from an user and non-committer: I am currently working on protocols and web services that can deliver data in different storage mechanisms including the good old tape to new gadgets. Needless to say i have trusted the software developed by this group for service oriented architecture.
When i contacted one of the members (Russell) some time back regarding AXIS development, he encouraged it (just like anyone in open development process has to do). If there was +1 in all issues, it would have also meant the group is not making rational decisions with proper discussions. I guess having an "active" committer list would encourage new members who might wrongly assume that there are already too many cooks. Its already doing a good job for us (users). Looking forward for even more better software, better development process or a better Axis. Regards, Arun. ~~~~~~~~~ Dream; because, dreams lead to thoughts; thoughts lead to action, and action leads to achievement. Arun swaran Jagatheesan http://www.sdsc.edu/~arun/ San Diego Supercomputer Center. (858)822.5452 > -----Original Message----- > From: R J Scheuerle Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... > > > Read the replies again. We only have a half-dozen active > committers. This > does affect the kinds of messages on axis-dev, and it does affect our > responsiveness. We are certainly not excluding anyone from being a > committer. We would like to have more committers. > > There is some friction on the forums and chats from time to time, > but there > is also much cooperation. Everyone is working hard to make Axis a better > product. > > (I am glad there is some friction. I want a forum where developers can > have disagreements. I don't want to work with a bunch of "shrinking > violets".) > > Rich Scheuerle > XML & Web Services Development > 512-838-5115 (IBM TL 678-5115) > > > > > "Fernandez Martinez, > > Alejandro" To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <a.fernandez.martinez@iber cc: > > matica.com> Subject: > RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... > > > 05/27/2002 09:04 AM > > Please respond to axis-dev > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the comment, it was not intended as a general criticism. Please > note that I'm not an Apache committer, and so my opinions are those of an > outsider. > > > I will requote myself to explain it better: > > > > The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in > > its democratic > > values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this > > fails, does the > > result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind). > > > 'The result' stands there for 'the resulting development process' (not the > product). In Jakarta land, things get discussed quite often; few messages > go through without comment, and people are encouraged to > contribute. On the > contrary, in the Axis development list, the vast majority of messages are > about technical issues. I have submitted a couple of patches (not well > documented, not well patched, but useful to many people IMHO) to make Axis > easier to use, but I didn't even get a reply; and I've seen some other > people in the same situation. > > > After raising the issue, I got the following answers: > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=101861850526262&w=2 > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=101862288730974&w=2 > > > This made me think that there's not enough cooperation on Axis, and the > development process is too closed. Either you're in, or you will > never make > it. If you cannot scratch your itch, then the result will be lack of > interest from third parties. This is something that I've never seen on > Jakarta. In fact, the original thread in > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg05431.html > was about being too open to admit new committers. > > > I did not want to cross-post; if you feel I should send this to > general@jakarta, I will gladly do so in a separate message. > > > Un saludo, > > > Alex. > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: Glyn Normington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Enviado el: lunes 27 de mayo de 2002 15:06 > > Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Asunto: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... > > > > > > Alex, > > > > I would be grateful if you could spell out why you think Apache Axis > > 'sucks'? As an Axis committer I am aware of some major > > deficiencies, but > > perhaps you had other things in mind. Please copy axis-dev on > > your reply as > > I'm sure the other developers would welcome specific criticisms. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Glyn > > ----- Forwarded by Glyn Normington/UK/IBM on 27/05/02 13:58 ----- > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > Ruby/Raleigh/IBM@ To: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > IBMUS cc: > > > > > > Subject: RE: > > [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... > > > > 27/05/02 11:21 > > > > > > Please respond to > > > > > > axis-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seen on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note the last paragraph. > > > > - Sam Ruby > > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Sam Ruby/Raleigh/IBM on 05/27/2002 > > 06:20 AM --------------------------- > > > > "Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on > > 05/27/2002 06:10:09 AM > > > > Please respond to "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > > De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Enviado el: sábado 25 de mayo de 2002 18:39 > > > Para: Jakarta General List > > > Asunto: Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... > > > > > > From my understanding, in most European parliamentary democracies, > > > generally you vote for more issue-oriented parties. Even if > > > you "loose" > > > you take a certain number of seats. So it makes sense to vote > > > regardless of whether its going to be a landslide. > > > > In most European countries, voting is as irrelevant as it's > > in the States: > > http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com/ > > In Spain we've seen socialists undercutting social benefits > > and privatizing > > public companies; and right-wing parties supporting abortion > > and promoting > > public function. (Not a bad thing, necessarily, just a sign > > of the times). > > I'm sure you can think of similar examples in your own countries. > > > > The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in > > its democratic > > values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this > > fails, does the > > result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind). > > > > Un saludo, > > > > Alex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
