Sorry for the comment, it was not intended as a general criticism. Please note that I'm not an Apache committer, and so my opinions are those of an outsider.
I will requote myself to explain it better:
> The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in
> its democratic
> values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this
> fails, does the
> result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind).
'The result' stands there for 'the resulting development process' (not the product). In Jakarta land, things get discussed quite often; few messages go through without comment, and people are encouraged to contribute. On the contrary, in the Axis development list, the vast majority of messages are about technical issues. I have submitted a couple of patches (not well documented, not well patched, but useful to many people IMHO) to make Axis easier to use, but I didn't even get a reply; and I've seen some other people in the same situation.
After raising the issue, I got the following answers:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=101861850526262&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=101862288730974&w=2
This made me think that there's not enough cooperation on Axis, and the development process is too closed. Either you're in, or you will never make it. If you cannot scratch your itch, then the result will be lack of interest from third parties. This is something that I've never seen on Jakarta. In fact, the original thread in
http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg05431.html
was about being too open to admit new committers.
I did not want to cross-post; if you feel I should send this to general@jakarta, I will gladly do so in a separate message.
Un saludo,
Alex.
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Glyn Normington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Enviado el: lunes 27 de mayo de 2002 15:06
> Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Asunto: RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
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> Alex,
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> I would be grateful if you could spell out why you think Apache Axis
> 'sucks'? As an Axis committer I am aware of some major
> deficiencies, but
> perhaps you had other things in mind. Please copy axis-dev on
> your reply as
> I'm sure the other developers would welcome specific criticisms.
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> Thanks,
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> Glyn
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> Sam
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> Subject: RE:
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> - Sam Ruby
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> "Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro"
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> Please respond to "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hi Andrew,
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> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Enviado el: sábado 25 de mayo de 2002 18:39
> > Para: Jakarta General List
> > Asunto: Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...
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> > From my understanding, in most European parliamentary democracies,
> > generally you vote for more issue-oriented parties. Even if
> > you "loose"
> > you take a certain number of seats. So it makes sense to vote
> > regardless of whether its going to be a landslide.
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> In most European countries, voting is as irrelevant as it's
> in the States:
> http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com/
> In Spain we've seen socialists undercutting social benefits
> and privatizing
> public companies; and right-wing parties supporting abortion
> and promoting
> public function. (Not a bad thing, necessarily, just a sign
> of the times).
> I'm sure you can think of similar examples in your own countries.
>
> The true strength of the Apache community is, IMHO, not in
> its democratic
> values, but in the spirit of cooperation. Only when this
> fails, does the
> result suck (Apache Axis comes to mind).
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> Un saludo,
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> Alex.
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