Maria: I didn't know anything about the Moniz connection with Machado but it is interesting since my grandfather's father is "X" (incognito) with Ana Francisca Perpetua Silva. Perhaps the Moniz Machado link you are talking about is the one connecting my Greatgrandfather "X" to the Machado line that I need to find. It is also interesting to note that my grandfather Manuel Machado Soares had a bar and grill in Oakland that he called "Marshall's". I just don't know where to go nextto find the Machado tie-in to Mr X (if there is one). Gordon
-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Maria Lima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gordon: I notice you are researching Moniz and Machado. I think I read on a Portuguese website that Moniz Machado is a name that is usually linked and goes way back to the Moors. I noticed my husband's grandfather who became a dentist back in Boston in 1912, always signed his full name as Domingos Moniz Machado on every document we've seen of his. His brother Clement, on the other hand, when he was naturalized, changed his name to Marshall and just used the initial Clement M. Marshall. It's as though the middle name didn't matter as much. (I'm guessing). I've also come across the name Soares in my husband's mother's little address book. There's correspondence from Antonio S. Soares who lived in San Jose, CA. I've also seen the Soares name as witnesses on some of our ancestors birth certificates; all pieces to the puzzle that haven't fit in yet. I also have an obituary for a Manuel Machado in Boston. but I can't tie him in to the family yet although I know there is a connection. The ancestor with the Moniz Machado name is Domingos and he had 4 brothers and one sister. The only brother I know is the one I mentioned, Clem. Still searching for the other 3 Moniz Machado males in the Boston area in late 1880's. I'm a bit hesitant to posting all this, knowing it's not exactly what you're looking for, however, I'm learning that even when I feel a bit silly posting, I've had replies come back that were just what I was looking for. Good luck in your search, Maria Elena a P. S. Shirley: Wow, your grandfather was also a Domingos. In one of the certificates I noticed the priest wrote down Dominic (and said he was from Italy.!) On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shirley/Sam: I AM a SOARES so if either of you are connected in some way to ANA FRANCISCA PERPETUA SILVA (mother to MANUEL MACHADO SOARES, my grandfather from Vila das Lajes, do Pico) and her parents of ANTONIO MONIZ (1808-1853) and ROSA ISABEL PERPETUAL (1806-1881), let me know. Gordon Soares -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Shirley Allegre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sam: I am really supposed to be a SOARES not an ALLEGRE. My husband's grandfather came to the U.S. as Domingos SOARES. He died as Dominic Allegre. His father was Antonio SOARES. They were from Rosais, Sao Jorge, Azores. When my father and his brothers were in grammar school they used different surnames. My father once told me that his name was really Louis Cambra Rebello. I asked him what happened to Rebello. He said it was too long so he dropped Rebello. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Koester To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: question on De Lima Lisa, Cheri and all; Just a note as to how names changed. Up to a certain point in time I had always thought my surname was Coelho from Santa Maria, Azores Islands. At least that's what my grandmother and my father used as a surname. Then as a young adult I made a visit to Lisbon, Portugal. On my return I said to my dad, I didn't know our surname was as common in Portugal as Smith and Jones is here. Coelho was on so many shops. Dad said, "Well, you know Coelho isn't really our surname. It's really Soares." That was the first I'd heard of it. Dad didn't really know the circumstances of the name change. In researching the records, it seems my grandfather went by the name of Jose Coelho Soares and on his ships manifest on immigration he lists his father as Cordeiro. How Coelho Soares and Cordeiro all tie together I don't know as I haven't been able to read the Santa Maria records well enough to get farther back in my research yet. So yes, Lisa, all daughters could be named Maria something or other and they would be called by that something or other name and records could be under the Maria name or the other name or a devotional name. Parents often gave a second son or daughter the name of a deceased son or daughter. Siblings could and often did have different surnames and surnames changed with time. Oh yes, and cousins married cousins too. You have to read those records very carefully for these and many other twists. This is such a fun hobby we have! J Sam in CA Researching: Soares, Coelho, Cordeiro, Tavares do Rego in Santa Maria, Faria, Catherina in Faial and Fraga, island unknown. From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: question on De Lima Lisa, Some of our grandparents loved to keep the kiddies mesmerized with a few embellished stories. To see if it is true, you will have to trace all lines back. Not the royalty forward. One of the people who are into the history will chime in here, but the king stuff stopped after a certain year. Now they have presidents or prime ministers, I don't remember which. But to take someone, such as one of the early kings from the year 1143 and try to find ALL descendants (and pray there's not missing records) and trace it from the continent to the Azores and probably Madeira (and maybe Angola and other Portuguese territories of the time) and across the Atlantic to you, will probably take a lifetime and a half. You will probably be diagnosed with migraine headaches, too. LOL I did find a brief history of Portuguese monarchs on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipe dia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_monarchs You will also find as you do more and more research that your de Lima line will turn into something else. I'm not really a Mello. I'm a Jacome. Cheri >From a whole bunch of peasants, hard working laborers, housewives, and one >Knight of Santiago. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
