You have the facts straight. Finding out where the Machado came from is what I
want to do. Someone suggested it was attached to the name Moniz, and indeed
there is a Moniz in his background thru Ana his mother. I don't believe he ever
used the name Marshall except for the bar, which I have been trying to locate
thru old newspaper articles--you know, ads, licenses, etc, but to no avail. I
thought maybe someone with a subscription to newspaper articles might find an
ad (or even his death date for that matter, since I only have 1936). Isn't this
stuff fun?
Gordon
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From: "Maria Lima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gordon:
I'm hoping people way more knowledgeable than myself here will jump in and try
to give you some direction. I saw the 1900 census many years ago before it was
on Ancestry and they had the Machado name also as Marshall. So your
grandfather's bar being called Marshall's is a clue to remember when looking at
the Marshall name. When I look at the Ancestry charts and it says Marshall, I
look to see where they were born. Many times it says Portugal or Azores; then
I look at it more closely.
Let me get the names straight:
Antonio Moniz X Rosa Isabel Perpetual Silva's
Their daughter - Ana Francisca Perpetua Silva who had a child with X (incognito)
child was named Manuel Machado Soares, b Vila das Lajes do Pico.
Perhaps you need to find out where the Machado came from. Are you familiar
with the microfilms at the family history library? Which ancestor are you
trying to find? The incognito?
Maria Elena
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:58 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maria:
I didn't know anything about the Moniz connection with Machado but it is
interesting since my grandfather's father is "X" (incognito) with Ana Francisca
Perpetua Silva. Perhaps the Moniz Machado link you are talking about is the one
connecting my Greatgrandfather "X" to the Machado line that I need to find. It
is also interesting to note that my grandfather Manuel Machado Soares had a bar
and grill in Oakland that he called "Marshall's". I just don't know where to go
nextto find the Machado tie-in to Mr X (if there is one).
Gordon
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From: "Maria Lima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Gordon:
I notice you are researching Moniz and Machado. I think I read on a Portuguese
website that Moniz Machado is a name that is usually linked and goes way back
to the Moors. I noticed my husband's grandfather who became a dentist back in
Boston in 1912, always signed his full name as Domingos Moniz Machado on every
document we've seen of his. His brother Clement, on the other hand, when he
was naturalized, changed his name to Marshall and just used the initial
Clement M. Marshall. It's as though the middle name didn't matter as much.
(I'm guessing).
I've also come across the name Soares in my husband's mother's little address
book. There's correspondence from Antonio S. Soares who lived in San Jose, CA.
I've also seen the Soares name as witnesses on some of our ancestors birth
certificates; all pieces to the puzzle that haven't fit in yet. I also have
an obituary for a Manuel Machado in Boston. but I can't tie him in to the
family yet although I know there is a connection.
The ancestor with the Moniz Machado name is Domingos and he had 4 brothers and
one sister. The only brother I know is the one I mentioned, Clem. Still
searching for the other 3 Moniz Machado males in the Boston area in late
1880's.
I'm a bit hesitant to posting all this, knowing it's not exactly what
you're looking for, however, I'm learning that even when I feel a bit silly
posting, I've had replies come back that were just what I was looking for.
Good luck in your search,
Maria Elena
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P. S. Shirley: Wow, your grandfather was also a Domingos. In one of the
certificates I noticed the priest wrote down Dominic (and said he was from
Italy.!)
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Shirley/Sam:
I AM a SOARES so if either of you are connected in some way to ANA FRANCISCA
PERPETUA SILVA (mother to MANUEL MACHADO SOARES, my grandfather from Vila das
Lajes, do Pico) and her parents of ANTONIO MONIZ (1808-1853) and ROSA ISABEL
PERPETUAL (1806-1881), let me know.
Gordon Soares
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From: "Shirley Allegre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Sam: I am really supposed to be a SOARES not an ALLEGRE. My husband's
grandfather came to the U.S. as Domingos SOARES. He died as Dominic Allegre.
His father was Antonio SOARES. They were from Rosais, Sao Jorge, Azores.
When my father and his brothers were in grammar school they used different
surnames. My father once told me that his name was really Louis Cambra
Rebello. I asked him what happened to Rebello. He said it was too long so he
dropped Rebello.
Shirley
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From: Sam Koester
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:29 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: question on De Lima
Lisa, Cheri and all; Just a note as to how names changed.
Up to a certain point in time I had always thought my surname was Coelho from
Santa Maria, Azores Islands. At least that's what my grandmother and my father
used as a surname. Then as a young adult I made a visit to Lisbon, Portugal.
On my return I said to my dad, I didn't know our surname was as common in
Portugal as Smith and Jones is here. Coelho was on so many shops. Dad said,
"Well, you know Coelho isn't really our surname. It's really Soares." That
was the first I'd heard of it. Dad didn't really know the circumstances of the
name change.
In researching the records, it seems my grandfather went by the name of Jose
Coelho Soares and on his ships manifest on immigration he lists his father as
Cordeiro. How Coelho Soares and Cordeiro all tie together I don't know as I
haven't been able to read the Santa Maria records well enough to get farther
back in my research yet.
So yes, Lisa, all daughters could be named Maria something or other and they
would be called by that something or other name and records could be under the
Maria name or the other name or a devotional name. Parents often gave a second
son or daughter the name of a deceased son or daughter. Siblings could and
often did have different surnames and surnames changed with time. Oh yes, and
cousins married cousins too. You have to read those records very carefully for
these and many other twists. This is such a fun hobby we have! J Sam in CA
Researching: Soares, Coelho, Cordeiro, Tavares do Rego in Santa Maria, Faria,
Catherina in Faial and Fraga, island unknown.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: question on De Lima
Lisa,
Some of our grandparents loved to keep the kiddies mesmerized with a few
embellished stories.
To see if it is true, you will have to trace all lines back. Not the royalty
forward. One of the people who are into the history will chime in here, but
the king stuff stopped after a certain year. Now they have presidents or prime
ministers, I don't remember which. But to take someone, such as one of the
early kings from the year 1143 and try to find ALL descendants (and pray
there's not missing records) and trace it from the continent to the Azores and
probably Madeira (and maybe Angola and other Portuguese territories of the
time) and across the Atlantic to you, will probably take a lifetime and a half.
You will probably be diagnosed with migraine headaches, too. LOL
I did find a brief history of Portuguese monarchs on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipe d ia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_monarchs
You will also find as you do more and more research that your de Lima line will
turn into something else. I'm not really a Mello. I'm a Jacome.
Cheri
>From a whole bunch of peasants, hard working laborers, housewives, and one
>Knight of Santiago.
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