Gordon: I'm hoping people way more knowledgeable than myself here will jump in and try to give you some direction. I saw the 1900 census many years ago before it was on Ancestry and they had the Machado name also as Marshall. So your grandfather's bar being called Marshall's is a clue to remember when looking at the Marshall name. When I look at the Ancestry charts and it says Marshall, I look to see where they were born. Many times it says Portugal or Azores; then I look at it more closely.
Let me get the names straight: Antonio Moniz X Rosa Isabel Perpetual Silva's Their daughter - Ana Francisca Perpetua Silva who had a child with X (incognito) child was named Manuel Machado Soares, b Vila das Lajes do Pico. Perhaps you need to find out where the Machado came from. Are you familiar with the microfilms at the family history library? Which ancestor are you trying to find? The incognito? Maria Elena On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:58 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maria: > I didn't know anything about the Moniz connection with Machado but it is > interesting since my grandfather's father is "X" (incognito) with Ana > Francisca Perpetua Silva. Perhaps the Moniz Machado link you are talking > about is the one connecting my Greatgrandfather "X" to the Machado line that > I need to find. It is also interesting to note that my grandfather Manuel > Machado Soares had a bar and grill in Oakland that he called "Marshall's". I > just don't know where to go nextto find the Machado tie-in to Mr X (if there > is one). > Gordon > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Maria Lima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Gordon: > > I notice you are researching Moniz and Machado. I think I read on a > Portuguese website that Moniz Machado is a name that is usually linked and > goes way back to the Moors. I noticed my husband's grandfather who became a > dentist back in Boston in 1912, always signed his full name as Domingos > Moniz Machado on every document we've seen of his. His brother Clement, > on the other hand, when he was naturalized, changed his name to Marshall > and just used the initial Clement *M.* Marshall. It's as though the > middle name didn't matter as much. (I'm guessing). > > I've also come across the name Soares in my husband's mother's little > address book. There's correspondence from Antonio S. Soares who lived in > San Jose, CA. I've also seen the Soares name as witnesses on some of our > ancestors birth certificates; all pieces to the puzzle that haven't fit in > yet. I also have an obituary for a Manuel Machado in Boston. but I can't > tie him in to the family yet although I know there is a connection. > > The ancestor with the Moniz Machado name is Domingos and he had 4 brothers > and one sister. The only brother I know is the one I mentioned, Clem. > Still searching for the other 3 Moniz Machado males in the Boston area in > late 1880's. > > I'm a bit hesitant to posting all this, knowing it's not exactly what > you're looking for, however, I'm learning that even when I feel a bit silly > posting, I've had replies come back that were just what I was looking for. > > Good luck in your search, > > Maria Elena > a > P. S. Shirley: Wow, your grandfather was also a* Domingos*. In one of > the certificates I noticed the priest wrote down Dominic (and said he was > from Italy.!) > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:29 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Shirley/Sam: >> I AM a SOARES so if either of you are connected in some way to ANA >> FRANCISCA PERPETUA SILVA (mother to MANUEL MACHADO SOARES, my grandfather >> from Vila das Lajes, do Pico) and her parents of ANTONIO MONIZ (1808-1853) >> and ROSA ISABEL PERPETUAL (1806-1881), let me know. >> Gordon Soares >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "Shirley Allegre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Hi Sam: I am really supposed to be a SOARES not an ALLEGRE. My husband's >> grandfather came to the U.S. as Domingos SOARES. He died as Dominic >> Allegre. His father was Antonio SOARES. They were from Rosais, Sao Jorge, >> Azores. >> When my father and his brothers were in grammar school they used different >> surnames. My father once told me that his name was really Louis Cambra >> Rebello. I asked him what happened to Rebello. He said it was too long so >> he dropped Rebello. >> Shirley >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Sam Koester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:29 AM >> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: question on De Lima >> >> Lisa, Cheri and all; Just a note as to how names changed. >> >> >> >> Up to a certain point in time I had always thought my surname was Coelho >> from Santa Maria, Azores Islands. At least that's what my grandmother and >> my father used as a surname. Then as a young adult I made a visit to >> Lisbon, Portugal. On my return I said to my dad, I didn't know our surname >> was as common in Portugal as Smith and Jones is here. Coelho was on so many >> shops. Dad said, "Well, you know Coelho isn't really our surname. It's >> really Soares." That was the first I'd heard of it. Dad didn't really know >> the circumstances of the name change. >> >> >> >> In researching the records, it seems my grandfather went by the name of >> Jose Coelho Soares and on his ships manifest on immigration he lists his >> father as Cordeiro. How Coelho Soares and Cordeiro all tie together I don't >> know as I haven't been able to read the Santa Maria records well enough to >> get farther back in my research yet. >> >> >> >> So yes, Lisa, all daughters could be named Maria something or other and >> they would be called by that something or other name and records could be >> under the Maria name or the other name or a devotional name. Parents often >> gave a second son or daughter the name of a deceased son or daughter. >> Siblings could and often did have different surnames and surnames changed >> with time. Oh yes, and cousins married cousins too. You have to read those >> records very carefully for these and many other twists. This is such a fun >> hobby we have! J Sam in CA >> >> Researching: *Soares, Coelho, Cordeiro, Tavares do Rego* in Santa Maria, >> *Faria*, *Catherina* in Faial and *Fraga*, island unknown. >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello >> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 9:10 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: question on De Lima >> >> >> >> Lisa, >> >> Some of our grandparents loved to keep the kiddies mesmerized with a few >> embellished stories. >> >> To see if it is true, you will have to trace all lines back. Not the >> royalty forward. One of the people who are into the history will chime in >> here, but the king stuff stopped after a certain year. Now they have >> presidents or prime ministers, I don't remember which. But to take someone, >> such as one of the early kings from the year 1143 and try to find ALL >> descendants (and pray there's not missing records) and trace it from the >> continent to the Azores and probably Madeira (and maybe Angola and other >> Portuguese territories of the time) and across the Atlantic to you, will >> probably take a lifetime and a half. You will probably be diagnosed with >> migraine headaches, too. LOL >> >> I did find a brief history of Portuguese monarchs on Wikipedia: >> http://en.wikipe >> d >> ia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_monarchs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_monarchs> >> >> You will also find as you do more and more research that your de Lima line >> will turn into something else. I'm not really a Mello. I'm a Jacome. >> >> Cheri >> From a whole bunch of peasants, hard working laborers, housewives, and one >> Knight of Santiago. >> >> >> >> > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
