Manuel Machado dias and maria de jesus de borba's marriage: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJVMC1776-1831/SJVMC1776-1831_item1/P109.html
________________________________ De: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> Para: [email protected] Enviadas: Domingo, 18 de Abril de 2010 13:59:31 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FILHO DE OUTRO meaning Yes, I'm pretty sure of that too, Eliseu. It was either you or Joao who taught me that. Just to be sure, I went back to the original image that Celeste had a question about (URL provided somewhere else in this thread). She's looking at baptism 15. On the next page, at the bottom, on baptism 17, the purple priest writes "Pai incognito." On number 19, someone is filho de Pais incognitos, # 21 was pai nao sabido. He's inconsistent. So I went looking for the marriage of Jorge Machado Diniz & Maria Florinda to see who the parents were. http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJVMC1870-1879/SJVMC1870-1879_item1/P24.html The name of the groom isn't Jorge Machado Diniz, it's Jorge Machado Dias. I went back to the original baptism that Celeste provided and it says Dias, not Diniz. Anyways, the marriage of Jorge Machado Dias, son of Jorge Machado Dias and Maria Florinda da Silveira, married Maria do Espirito Santo da Silveira, daughter of Manuel Silveira Pereira and Barbara Silveira. It all matches with the baptism. It said there was no impediment. I will have to respectfully disagree with Margaret V's analysis of "d'outro" and go with what Eliseu said. For those learning and wondering about some of the other terms mentioned: Pai incognito = father unknown. When the mother baptized the baby, she said that she didn't know who the father was (although, in reality, she and half the village knew who the father was). Pai nao sabido = same meaning as above. I think the literal translation of this one is father unknown and the literal translation of pai incognito may be father incognito, but the meaning is the same. Pais incognitos = both parents unknown. In this case, it was a baby left on a door step or at the church roda (wheel - it's like a Lazy Susan where you put your offering and spin it around so it goes inside the church). impediment = the bride and groom aren't related to each other (usually it's only mentioned to the 3rd cousin level). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
