I keep reading about cousins marring, but are there any recorded uncle and niece marriage. I know this happened, at least in my family. I could not believe it when I first found this. My great grandfather, gave his daughter to his brother when she was 18. I thought it was odd that her maiden name was not on license. While we may not all be super intelligent we got by. As far as I know there were no great deformities or retardation from this and the line lives into their late 80's to 90's, I am the only one with any defect and that is in my heart. So to say I was amazed to learn this news I was not totally shocked, just really got me interested in my Azorean roots. In a message dated 5/22/2013 3:50:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
First cousins who married is nothing surprising for the Azores. My grandmother's parents were first cousins from Sao Roque do Pico. And like Nancy, I have numerous ancestors who married cousins, both from Pico and not so many, but also in Terceira. What surprised me was seeing these double first cousins, as Cheri tells us they are called. I might have simply forgotten, but I am not sure I ever saw it before. In fact, I look very carefully at every marriage record and hope they were cousins. There are numerous times I have found older ancestors of my own, not to mention for others, based on this fact. I believe I mentioned this many years ago on the old Azores List on Rootsweb, but first cousins having children can have no visible bad results in children. My grandmother, daughter of first cousins, lived to 101. Her brother lived into his 90s. Another brother was in his 80s, I believe. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 _www.dholmes.com_ (http://www.dholmes.com/) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree From: nancy jean baptiste <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:55 pm To: azores group <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > My Furtado Cardoso great grandparents were first cousins on Pico....their line is FILLED with cousin marriages....over and over through the generations. While there are no obvious problems from this I suspect that things like diabetes and heart disease are increased in these close lines. their daughter married a man whose parents were from Sao Jorge and Santa Maria....their son, my father married my mom whose complete line is from Sao Jorge......I've found many surnames between my mom's Sao Jorge line and my dad's fathers Sao Jorge line......cousins? Maybe distant ones....I don't know. I read that Flores has the highest incidence of Machado Joseph disease found among the Azorean people and it is attributed to the frequency of inbreeding. Sometimes things are ok....sometimes not. Nancy Jean ____________________________________ Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:42:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] related in the second degree From: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) To: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Doug, Cousin Marriages are common on Flores because it is such a small Island. I have cousin marriages on both sides of my family tree. If the genes are good, superior decendants can be produced. I have some first cousins on my father's side that married. One of their children married the child of another first cousin of mine making them second cousins who married. This couple had 4 children all of whom are college graduates. One of these four children is now a professor at Boston University. John Vasconcelos On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM, <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote: I ran across an old document I had translated about 15 years ago and took another look. My first notation was that this couple was related in the second degree. I never noted whether it was by consanguinity or affinity. But usually if I didn't note it, it was by consanguinity. Well, my second look proved important because I had missed an important word "duplicado" (duplicate). In case you never knew, this means not only they were first cousins, but first cousins in two different ways. If you think about it, that means they each shared all four of their grandparents. They had no ancestors other than what they shared. Talk about in-breeding. Who was this couple? It was the Capitão-mor of Angra. The highest military rank available. His name was Manuel Homem da Costa e Noronha Ponce de Leão. Find him in any Terceira nobility book to see his illustrious ancestry. One might wonder whether their children were born healthy. Well, I don't know all the facts yet, but I do know they had 10 children. Three possibly died young - at least I haven't yet noticed them listed as adults at marriage or as godparents. A few seemed to have average life spans of at least 60 years. Not yet sure of the rest. I do know they have many descendants today, including some of my cousins. Just think how this combined DNA might affect the Family Finder results. I just thought it was interesting. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 _www.dholmes.com_ (http://www.dholmes.com/) -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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