Hi Doug, I didn't make myself clear.. The GEDCOM standard (and most genealogy programs) allow you to add an aliaas. You're the one combining them all into one with 'ou/or' which your genealogy program will not understand.
In the case you mentioned (Ana Maria ou Ana Bernarda ou Ana de SIMAS ou Ana PEREIRA de SIMAS), I'd list her with all these names, without the 'ou' in the following way: 1 NAME Ana /de Simas/ 1 NAME Ana /Pereira, de Simas/ 2 TYPE aka 1 NAME Ana Maria 2 TYPE aka 1 NAME Ana Bernarda 2 TYPE aka That's assuming she used 'Ana de Simas' as her 'marriage' name or the one she used most often for her children's baptisms. Regards, João C. Ventura On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:04:32 AM UTC+1, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > Olá João, > > You make a good point about the length of the name and it certainly can > get long. > And yes, printing it out might be a problem. > > My viewpoint is based on searches to see if I already have one particular > person in my database already. > I believe I have already explained it before, but I'll try to be brief > here. > > If I have a couple named in a baptism such as Manuel de Sousa and Maria da > Conceição and I want see if I already have them in my database, I do a > search for a couple by these names. If found, and if they are from the > right place and time frame, I decide if they are the right couple found in > this baptism. > > If I don't find them, I might add them in as the parents of the child in > the baptism. > > So the problem is when the wife is using a different name. Like you said, > at marriage she might have used one name, her "marriage name" maybe > something like Maria Inácia do Coração de Jesus, but never again used that > Coração de Jesus ending. I liken that to what you seem to be calling her > marriage name. It's just a fancy way to show her devotion, or something, > but never really was her name (perhaps). > > If she was married with Maria de Jesus and I found her using Maria da > Conceição, I might end up having a duplicate couple - at least for a while > until I do more research and realize the mistake. > > So if I record her as Maria da Conceição ou Maria de Jesus (and make a > note for her that explains where each name was found in which record), when > I do my search for any couple named Manuel de Sousa and Maria da Conceição, > this couple shows up and I don't create a duplicate entry for them. > > I realize that this situation might never apply to someone who records > only direct ancestors and their immediate families. But for me, I am always > trying to find ways to make sure I have just one entry for a person. > > Out of curiosity, I did a real search for a couple by these names and I > have 14 of them. I have 1387 women named Maria de Jesus so far. So far I > have 393 named José Inácio. I have 75 named João Caetano. :-) > > I also notice that if a woman had a child out of wedlock, and the father > is listed as pai incógnito, the chances are pretty good that she is going > to be listed with a different version of her name if she ever ends up > getting married. So often the variation reflects a different time in her > life. > > Take a look at this lady and her name variations. She remained single: > > Ana Maria ou Ana Bernarda ou Ana de SIMAS ou Ana PEREIRA de SIMAS > > She was the godmother for many people over the years and so far I have > found four ways she was named. > This is a little extraordinary, of course. Most of the time, there is > maybe just variation. > > If combined into one, I suppose someone might call her Ana Maria Bernarda > Pereira de Simas, even though that exact name was never found for her. > > There is no right or wrong way to record them. Just keep them organized in > whatever way works for each researcher. > > If someone were to record a couple as Manuel Bettencourt and Maria dos > Anjos and I record them as Manuel de Bettencourt and Maria dos Anjos, my > use of "de" for the husband is not going to throw anyone off. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: different names same person > From: João_Ventura <[email protected] <javascript:>> > Date: Wed, November 13, 2013 1:04 am > To: [email protected] <javascript:> > Cc: Edward Rodrigues <[email protected] <javascript:>> > > Hi Edward, > > I'm afraid to disagree with both Doug and Cheri, as their experience is a > lot better than mine.. > > First of, it's a bit necessary to distinguish men from women here. Men's > names change very rarely. Women's names are more fluid.. I'm not even sure > there was a good concept of a female surname back in the 19th. century or > before. I usually consider that the most reliable names would be the one > they'd declare themselves during their wedding. At any other time, they're > either too young (baptism), or deceased (death) to be able to provide > correct information. Their children's birth record are usually accurate in > the parent's names but this is also the time when women's 'surname-in-flux' > can best be seen. Sometimes it's their wedding surname, other times it's > her father's or her mother's surname that gets used. > > However the part I disagree is using the 'or/ou'. Most genealogy programs > will allow you to provide alternative versions of the name. Use your best > judgement to choose a primary surname, but then list all the names you can > find for them, like their married name or their 'americanized' name. Using > the 'or/ou' will actually make their name a mess from a computer system > point of view. > > João C. Ventura > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:59:08 PM UTC+1, Doug da Rocha Holmes > wrote: >> >> Hi Edward, >> >> I have mentioned it once or twice. >> >> Like Cheri says, I recommend using "or" between both name versions if >> they immigrated. >> >> But if they never left Portugal, I suggest using the Portuguese word "ou" >> - though it makes no real difference and if the people in your family are >> language handicapped (don't know a word of Portuguese) then maybe just >> stick with English. >> >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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