Sorry Doug, but in this case I disagree. Notice that there is a Z at the end of Águeda's family name. And, more definitvely, Rodrigo Rodrigues, (Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria) has the couple as Ventura Ferreira and Águeda Sanches (p.3000). Rodrigo Rodrigues, like all mortals, was capable of error. However, he spent his entire adult life reading those records and I would consider him an Azorean paleographer without equal. But he and I could be wrong. I learned the hard way, a long time ago, not to be dogmatic when it comes to these things. Whenever I have a doubt I ask 2-3 other researchers to take a look at the same record, without telling them what I think it says, and ask them to tell me how they read it. Even then in some cases there is no consensus.
About 10 years ago I found the marriage of record of one of my ancestors from Ribeira Grande, from the time of Gaspar Frutuoso's immediate predecessor. Although the writing was clear and sharp, no matter how long I stared at it, I could not decipher it. For an additional cost, I asked the archives to send me a typed transcription. The director at the time gave the project over to one of the paleograhers and I received a typed transcription in due time. Years later, when I purchased the 6 volumes by Rodrigo Rodrigues, I looked for that information. The paleographer and Rodrigo Rodrigues were in complete agreement. No doubt there are Azoreans with the family name Santa (or Sancta), but I do not think that this Águeda is one of them. John On Friday, November 22, 2013 5:29 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Fred, The bride's mother is not Sanches/z. It is definitely SANTA but is spelled in the archaic form of SANCTA. You will find other baptisms and marriages and likely get a more clear record to confirm it. I have many people, including my own ancestor, named Santa. Mine is Maria Santa from Terceira. You will find over the centuries that some priests spell it Santa and others as Sancta. It can be found also in names such as Maria de Sancto Antonio, Isabel de Sancta Rosa, etc. I always advise using the modern spelling of Santa, but always record it the way it was written in your notes, too. Good luck, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -------- Original Message -------- >Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Help >From: Fred Estrella <[email protected]> >Date: Fri, November 22, 2013 11:00 am >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >I am having some trouble understanding the marriage record for my 7th >ggrandparents. The record is on the left page in the middle. I'm having >trouble with their parents names (abbreviations are tough). Here's what I can >make out: >date: 6 July 1686 >groom: Manuel Fernandez >his father: Diogo Fernandez (passed) >his mother: ? >bride: Anna Ferreira >her father: Ventura Ferreira (passed) >her mother: ? >here's the link: >http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1673-1708/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1673-1708_item1/P23.html >I've also attached the record. > >Any help will be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Fred > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
