Hi Cheri, Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing municipality and then the freguesia:
Santa Maria island (only 1): Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ old table of freguesias). Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) Terceira island (2 Matriz') Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) Graciosa island (only 1) Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) Velas: Velas (same as CCA) Faial island (1 Matriz) Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) Pico island (3 Matriz') Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) Flores island (2 Matriz') Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) Corvo island Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) For the 7 islands that are up, the "They're using the official name of the freguesia" explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly confused about São Miguel aparently. Regards, João C. Ventura On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Joao C. Ventura said: > <<They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're > confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly as > civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. Which > in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the > church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases > not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case.>> > > OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, > then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these > places "Matriz." > > Santa Maria island (only 1): > Vila do Porto > The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. > CCA not up yet. > > Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') > Lagoa > The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. > The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz > Nordeste > The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > Ponta Delgada > The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada > The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao > Povoacao > The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao > The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus > Ribeira Grande > The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande > CCA not up yet. > Vila Franca do Campo > The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo > CCA not up yet. > > Terceira island (2 Matriz') > Angra do Heroismo > Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat in > Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. > > Praia da Vitoria > The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > > Graciosa island (only 1) > The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz > CCA not up yet > > Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') > Calheta > The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > > Velas > The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > > Faial island (1 Matriz) > The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta > The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta > > > Pico island (3 Matriz') > Lajes (do Pico) > The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > Madalena > The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > Sao Roque > The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > > Flores island (2 Matriz') > Lajes (do Flores) > The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > Santa Cruz (das Flores) > The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz > The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz > > Corvo island > There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. I > don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. > > OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial > under "M" for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao Jorge), Angra (Sao > Salvador), Praia (Santa Cruz), Calheta (Santa Catarina), Velas (Sao Jorge), > Lajes do Pico (Santissima Trindade), Santa Maria Madalena, Sao Roque (both > on Pico), and N.S. do Rosario and N.S. da Conceicao (both on Flores) under > the names instead of Matriz? > > OK, where am I confused? Straighten me out here :) To me, it looks like > the CCA is confused. Well, I know that they are not. This project had > been under different directors so the uploading of the records may have > changed with the directors. If most concelhos have a Matriz, why aren't > they putting those as Matriz de _____ on all the concelhos that have an > official Matriz? Or putting the name (whether civil or ecclesiastical - > but I think they use civil). Technically, isn't "Matriz" an ecclesiastical > thing? > Thanks! > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
