Thank you João, one has to be from that parte of the island to know that. I do know Lomba da Fazenda and Lomba da Pedreira
On Monday, 16 December 2013 08:52:35 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: > > Olá, José > > It's a known fact that the patron saint of the Nordeste parish is São > Jorge: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordeste_(freguesia). Look for > 'Orago' on the right side panel of the Wiki page. > > Cumprimentos, > > João C. Ventura > > On Monday, December 16, 2013 2:26:05 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote: >> >> Never had heard of a São Jorge in Nordeste, have to ask a friend from >> there about it when I see him >> >> On Monday, 16 December 2013 04:33:34 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote: >>> >>> Hi Cheri, >>> >>> Actually you're right, they are the ones confused. But to add to the >>> confusion, here's the list of official names of those freguesias, listing >>> municipality and then the freguesia: >>> >>> Santa Maria island (only 1): >>> Vila do Porto: Vila do Porto (not up in CCA yet) >>> >>> Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') >>> Lagoa: Santa Cruz (not the same as CCA: Matriz de Santa Cruz) >>> Nordeste: Nordeste (not the same as CCA: São Jorge) >>> Ponta Delgada: São Sebastião (not the same as CCA: Matriz de São >>> Sebastião -- however, until 2003 the freguesia's official name was Matriz >>> (Ponta Delgada) - if not for the above, I'd believe they were using a 10y+ >>> old table of freguesias). >>> Povoação: Povoação (not the same as CCA: Matriz da Mãe de Deus) >>> Ribeira Grande: Matriz (not up in CCA yet) >>> Vila Franca do Campo: São Miguel Arcanjo (not up in CCA yet) >>> >>> Terceira island (2 Matriz') >>> Angra do Heroismo: Sé (same as CCA) >>> Praia da Vitoria: Santa Cruz (same as CCA) >>> >>> Graciosa island (only 1) >>> Santa Cruz da Graciosa: Santa Cruz da Graciosa (not up in CCA yet) >>> >>> Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') >>> Calheta: Calheta (same as CCA) >>> Velas: Velas (same as CCA) >>> >>> Faial island (1 Matriz) >>> Horta: Matriz (same as CCA) >>> >>> Pico island (3 Matriz') >>> Lajes do Pico: Lajes do Pico (same as CCA) >>> Madalena: Madalena (same as CCA) >>> São Roque do Pico: São Roque do Pico (same as CCA) >>> >>> Flores island (2 Matriz') >>> Lajes das Flores: Lajes das Flores (same as CCA) >>> Santa Cruz das Flores: Santa Cruz das Flores (same as CCA) >>> >>> Corvo island >>> Vila do Corvo: Vila do Corvo (same as CCA) >>> >>> For the 7 islands that are up, the "They're using the official name of >>> the freguesia" explanation holds up for 6 islands. They're terribly >>> confused about São Miguel aparently. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> João C. Ventura >>> >>> On Monday, December 16, 2013 1:24:46 AM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Joao C. Ventura said: >>>> <<They're not inconsistent. The problem is yours, actually: you're >>>> confusing the church parish with the freguesia civil (translated roughly >>>> as >>>> civil parish). The CCA site uses the official name of the freguesia.. >>>> Which >>>> in most cases, as they were created in 1911 as one-to-one mapping of the >>>> church parishes, used the same name of the catholic parish.. In some cases >>>> not, as in this Matriz / São Sebastião case.>> >>>> >>>> OK, let me try to straighten myself out. If I'm not doing this right, >>>> then feel free to straighten me out! :) They are calling some of these >>>> places "Matriz." >>>> >>>> Santa Maria island (only 1): >>>> Vila do Porto >>>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Assuncao in Vila do Porto. >>>> CCA not up yet. >>>> >>>> Sao Miguel island (6 Matriz') >>>> Lagoa >>>> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Lagoa. >>>> The CCA listing says Matriz de Santa Cruz >>>> Nordeste >>>> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Nordeste >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> Ponta Delgada >>>> The Matriz is Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada >>>> The CCA listing says Matriz de Sao Sebastiao >>>> Povoacao >>>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora Mae de Deus in Povoacao >>>> The CCA listing says Matriz de Mae de Deus >>>> Ribeira Grande >>>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Estrela in Ribeira Grande >>>> CCA not up yet. >>>> Vila Franca do Campo >>>> The Matriz is Sao Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca do Campo >>>> CCA not up yet. >>>> >>>> Terceira island (2 Matriz') >>>> Angra do Heroismo >>>> Santa Se do Salvador or Sao Salvador which is really the Diocese seat >>>> in Angra do Heroismo. So I guess technically there is no Matriz here. >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz or a Diocese or a cathedral. >>>> >>>> Praia da Vitoria >>>> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Praia da Vitoria >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> >>>> Graciosa island (only 1) >>>> The Matriz is Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz >>>> CCA not up yet >>>> >>>> Sao Jorge island (2 Matriz') >>>> Calheta >>>> The Matriz Santa Catarina in Calheta. >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> >>>> Velas >>>> The Matriz is Sao Jorge in Velas >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> >>>> Faial island (1 Matriz) >>>> The Matriz is Sao Salvador in Horta >>>> The CCA listing says Matriz da Horta >>>> >>>> >>>> Pico island (3 Matriz') >>>> Lajes (do Pico) >>>> The Matriz is Santissima Trindade in Lajes >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> Madalena >>>> The Matriz is Santa Maria Madalena in Madalena >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> Sao Roque >>>> The Matriz is Sao Roque in Sao Roque >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> >>>> Flores island (2 Matriz') >>>> Lajes (do Flores) >>>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lajes >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> Santa Cruz (das Flores) >>>> The Matriz is Nossa Senhora da Conceicao in Santa Cruz >>>> The CCA listing says nothing about a Matriz >>>> >>>> Corvo island >>>> There's only 1 church there. Nossa Senhora dos Milagres in Vila Nova. >>>> I don't think it holds Matriz status. The CCA says nothing about it either. >>>> >>>> OK, so why does the CCA list Lagoa, Ponta Delgada, Povoacao, and Faial >>>> under "M" for Matriz but then lists Nordeste (Sao Jorge), Angra (Sao >>>> Salvador), Praia (Santa Cruz), Calheta (Santa Catarina), Velas (Sao >>>> Jorge), >>>> Lajes do Pico (Santissima Trindade), Santa Maria Madalena, Sao Roque (both >>>> on Pico), and N.S. do Rosario and N.S. da Conceicao (both on Flores) under >>>> the names instead of Matriz? >>>> >>>> OK, where am I confused? Straighten me out here :) To me, it looks >>>> like the CCA is confused. Well, I know that they are not. This project >>>> had been under different directors so the uploading of the records may >>>> have >>>> changed with the directors. If most concelhos have a Matriz, why aren't >>>> they putting those as Matriz de _____ on all the concelhos that have an >>>> official Matriz? Or putting the name (whether civil or ecclesiastical - >>>> but I think they use civil). Technically, isn't "Matriz" an ecclesiastical >>>> thing? >>>> Thanks! >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
